From skipjones at fuse.net Thu Feb 2 09:50:33 2006 From: skipjones at fuse.net (skipjones@fuse.net) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 9:50:33 -0500 Subject: [Northside CPOP] CPOP meeting canceled Message-ID: <22406616.1138891833581.JavaMail.root@webmail2> Due to some immediate concerns and activities related to the Neighborhood Summit and changes in the Neighborhood Officer program, the meeting scheduled for this evening is canceled. Sorry for any problems this will cause with your schedule. -- ----------------------------------------- *****************Internet Email Confidentiality Footer****************** Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and notify the sender by reply email. Please advise immediately if you or your employer do not consent to Internet email for messages of this kind. From davetori at fuse.net Thu Feb 2 10:58:21 2006 From: davetori at fuse.net (Dave & Tori) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 10:58:21 -0500 Subject: [Northside CPOP] FW: CPOP Implementation and Personnel Distribution Message-ID: FW: CPOP Implementation and Personnel DistributionAll, This is FYI. Please see attached letter for full text from the City Manager. Immediately below the text from the City Manager, I've attached my response to Captain Johns and his reply. I first heard about this very late Tues night and held off alerting Northside COP and CPOP teams until I was assured I had the facts straight. There was a small meeting last eve that was hastily scheduled among several Northside community leaders to review and summarize concerns as well as to discuss how to respond. Captain Johns has assured me that he is committed to doing what he can to maintain the current relationships. Terri will still be attending our meetings. I apologize to anyone who may already have this information. Dave FOR YOUR INFORMATION To Mayor and Members of City Council From skipjones at fuse.net Fri Feb 10 11:57:09 2006 From: skipjones at fuse.net (Skip Jones) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:57:09 -0500 Subject: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects Message-ID: <003601c62e63$0a54afc0$6a13a8c0@DDFP7P61> I was trying to come up with a list of smaller projects that we could hand off to District 5 as potential CPOP type activities. I was thinking that we could generate a list, see who is interested from the District and try to pair community people with the interested officers from D5. I was also hoping the officers could come up with some ideas as well. Please reply to me and not everyone on the distribution list. I'll stick them all in a spreadsheet and circulate. A few I'm thinking of right off are: Gas Stations selling inappropriate items such as scales. - Bob Sala More Crosswalks around Chase School - BW 45223 Truck blocking crosswalk view in the business district near Wizards- Skip Crosswalk across Hamilton at Palm - Skip -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.northside.net/pipermail/cpop/attachments/20060210/4b5987ea/attachment.html From ssunderland_2848 at fuse.net Fri Feb 10 13:39:45 2006 From: ssunderland_2848 at fuse.net (Stefanie Sunderland) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:39:45 -0500 Subject: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects In-Reply-To: <003601c62e63$0a54afc0$6a13a8c0@DDFP7P61> Message-ID: <20060210184147.CKG14894.gx4.fuse.net@sas> I recommended that Craig call Chris Simon (vice/liquor) about problems with BP since he has had repeated failed attempts trying to get the owner to assume responsibility for what is happening at this location and said I would help if he wants the additional support. Bob told me last night that Chris recommends that the community object to renewal of their liquor license in order to persuade the owner to cooperate. She expects that the owner will wish to do so and suggested that the community come up with a contract to hold his feet to the fire, I guess, until 2007 when we can decide if he's activity participating in trying to resolve the problems and whether or not to object to the renewal for the second time. Marathon is beginning to take on the appearances of a clientele specific clothing store - hoodies, hair pieces, conterfeit gymmies and jewelry scales - not to mention the individual blunts that have been on sale forever. Because of Sammie's willingness to fund the Kirby camera residents in the area decided that I should first talk with Sammy about the scales, which I did. (I also told Captain Johns.) He said he would remove them from the items offered but there's no way for me to make certain they have been. We need a decoy; someone who could be perceived as a dealer, to go there and try to buy one. Initial responses to my concerns about both blunts and the scales from the employees was "if they don't buy it here they'll buy it someplace else" and "whether they sell these items or not it won't stop the dealers from dealing" in Northside. Meantime, Northside Mart seems to be selling everything the well equipped dealer needs. And god only knows what is happening at the Colerain Mart/Station or the one at Elmore or what our new auto repair/grocery store on Colerain at Blue Rock is up to selling. It seems to me that all are trying to reach what they consider a viable market - a market that probably wouldn't be viable in Hyde Park and/or other neighborhoods that don't noticeably have dealers standing on the corner. I also think this is a bigger problem that we need to direct attention to and may take a lot of effort (Police, B & I, Health) to resolve based on the individual operator, their location, how the owner's responds to our concerns and exactly what they're doing that does or does not meet city code. And then there's always enforcement. Aside from that I do think that there are smaller projects that could effectively be resolved in a short period of time. A smaller project could include curb cuts and street trees in residential areas where double sidewalks are the norm. Or how to get CSX to address their parcel that runs between Mad Anthony and Chambers. Stef _____ From: cpop-admin at northside.net [mailto:cpop-admin at northside.net] On Behalf Of Skip Jones Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:57 AM To: cindysue at fuse.net; srsiam at aol.com; Tim Golliher; CPOP at northside.net; '7NSCOP Mail list '; Tim Jeckering Cc: Captain Johns; 2Terri Windeler; Battison, Jeffrey; Steven Baines; terry.cosgrove at cincinnati-oh.gov Subject: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects I was trying to come up with a list of smaller projects that we could hand off to District 5 as potential CPOP type activities. I was thinking that we could generate a list, see who is interested from the District and try to pair community people with the interested officers from D5. I was also hoping the officers could come up with some ideas as well. Please reply to me and not everyone on the distribution list. I'll stick them all in a spreadsheet and circulate. A few I'm thinking of right off are: Gas Stations selling inappropriate items such as scales. - Bob Sala More Crosswalks around Chase School - BW 45223 Truck blocking crosswalk view in the business district near Wizards- Skip Crosswalk across Hamilton at Palm - Skip -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.northside.net/pipermail/cpop/attachments/20060210/1a2ef35e/attachment.html From Robin.Henderson at cincinnati-oh.gov Fri Feb 10 14:20:44 2006 From: Robin.Henderson at cincinnati-oh.gov (Henderson, Robin) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:20:44 -0500 Subject: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects Message-ID: What's the issue with the CSX property between Mad Antony and Chambers? I am working with CSX on another project and may be able to get some more info/action etc.., Robin Henderson Program Manager/ Community Improvement Keep Cincinnati Beautiful 801 Plum Street Cincinnati, Ohio 45223 513/352-4388 phone 513/352-4389 fax E-Mail: Robin.Henderson at cincinnati-oh.gov www.KeepCincinnatiBeautiful.org -----Original Message----- From: cpop-admin at northside.net [mailto:cpop-admin at northside.net]On Behalf Of Stefanie Sunderland Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 1:40 PM To: 'Skip Jones'; cindysue at fuse.net; srsiam at aol.com; 'Tim Golliher'; CPOP at northside.net; '7NSCOP Mail list '; 'Tim Jeckering' Cc: 'Captain Johns'; '2Terri Windeler'; 'Battison, Jeffrey'; 'Steven Baines'; terry.cosgrove at cincinnati-oh.gov; 'Craig Congdon' Subject: RE: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects I recommended that Craig call Chris Simon (vice/liquor) about problems with BP since he has had repeated failed attempts trying to get the owner to assume responsibility for what is happening at this location and said I would help if he wants the additional support. Bob told me last night that Chris recommends that the community object to renewal of their liquor license in order to persuade the owner to cooperate. She expects that the owner will wish to do so and suggested that the community come up with a contract to hold his feet to the fire, I guess, until 2007 when we can decide if he's activity participating in trying to resolve the problems and whether or not to object to the renewal for the second time. Marathon is beginning to take on the appearances of a clientele specific clothing store - hoodies, hair pieces, conterfeit gymmies and jewelry scales - not to mention the individual blunts that have been on sale forever. Because of Sammie's willingness to fund the Kirby camera residents in the area decided that I should first talk with Sammy about the scales, which I did. (I also told Captain Johns.) He said he would remove them from the items offered but there's no way for me to make certain they have been. We need a decoy; someone who could be perceived as a dealer, to go there and try to buy one. Initial responses to my concerns about both blunts and the scales from the employees was "if they don't buy it here they'll buy it someplace else" and "whether they sell these items or not it won't stop the dealers from dealing" in Northside. Meantime, Northside Mart seems to be selling everything the well equipped dealer needs. And god only knows what is happening at the Colerain Mart/Station or the one at Elmore or what our new auto repair/grocery store on Colerain at Blue Rock is up to selling. It seems to me that all are trying to reach what they consider a viable market - a market that probably wouldn't be viable in Hyde Park and/or other neighborhoods that don't noticeably have dealers standing on the corner. I also think this is a bigger problem that we need to direct attention to and may take a lot of effort (Police, B & I, Health) to resolve based on the individual operator, their location, how the owner's responds to our concerns and exactly what they're doing that does or does not meet city code. And then there's always enforcement. Aside from that I do think that there are smaller projects that could effectively be resolved in a short period of time. A smaller project could include curb cuts and street trees in residential areas where double sidewalks are the norm. Or how to get CSX to address their parcel that runs between Mad Anthony and Chambers. Stef _____ From: cpop-admin at northside.net [mailto:cpop-admin at northside.net] On Behalf Of Skip Jones Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:57 AM To: cindysue at fuse.net; srsiam at aol.com; Tim Golliher; CPOP at northside.net; '7NSCOP Mail list '; Tim Jeckering Cc: Captain Johns; 2Terri Windeler; Battison, Jeffrey; Steven Baines; terry.cosgrove at cincinnati-oh.gov Subject: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects I was trying to come up with a list of smaller projects that we could hand off to District 5 as potential CPOP type activities. I was thinking that we could generate a list, see who is interested from the District and try to pair community people with the interested officers from D5. I was also hoping the officers could come up with some ideas as well. Please reply to me and not everyone on the distribution list. I'll stick them all in a spreadsheet and circulate. A few I'm thinking of right off are: Gas Stations selling inappropriate items such as scales. - Bob Sala More Crosswalks around Chase School - BW 45223 Truck blocking crosswalk view in the business district near Wizards- Skip Crosswalk across Hamilton at Palm - Skip -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.northside.net/pipermail/cpop/attachments/20060210/211d1f2d/attachment.html From ssunderland_2848 at fuse.net Fri Feb 10 14:41:30 2006 From: ssunderland_2848 at fuse.net (Stefanie Sunderland) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:41:30 -0500 Subject: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060210194332.VWER4722.gx6.fuse.net@sas> Robin, It hasn't been mowed for a year's worth of Sundays. It is regularly used as an illegal dumpsite by both adjoining property owners and non-residents not willing to discard yard waste/tires/old front porches, etc. properly. We have cleaned it numerous times in the spring before the vegetation grows but once the weeds reach full height it's nearly impossible to clean and because it's so overgrown litter, garbage and trash just naturally collect in the undergrowth. The adjoining property owner on south side of CSX property on Chambers has been regularly mowing most of the CSX land from their side yard to their back yard because efforts to get the railroad to address it have been a total failure. Additional concerns from leaders is that if we push CSX too hard they will sell it to the first opportunist who offers to take it off their hands and we'll land up with similar issues on what used to be CSX right of way as we've experienced with Michael Tire or Queen City Barrel that allow it to serve as a wasteland and illegal dump site and are equally as likely not to take care of it. What we want is responsible ownership and the first rights of refusal if it goes on the market. Furthermore, none of the City's departments - Litter, DPS, Health, Parks - seem to have the means to address the property because it belongs to CSX. They're not allowed on it and CSX doesn't respond. Aside from that, nothings wrong with that parcel. Thanks for asking. Stefanie _____ From: Henderson, Robin [mailto:Robin.Henderson at cincinnati-oh.gov] Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 2:21 PM To: 'Stefanie Sunderland'; 'Skip Jones'; cindysue at fuse.net; srsiam at aol.com; 'Tim Golliher'; CPOP at northside.net; '7NSCOP Mail list '; 'Tim Jeckering' Cc: Johns, Tom; Windeler, Terri; Battison, Jeffrey; 'Steven Baines'; Cosgrove, Terry; 'Craig Congdon' Subject: RE: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects What's the issue with the CSX property between Mad Antony and Chambers? I am working with CSX on another project and may be able to get some more info/action etc.., Robin Henderson Program Manager/ Community Improvement Keep Cincinnati Beautiful 801 Plum Street Cincinnati, Ohio 45223 513/352-4388 phone 513/352-4389 fax E-Mail: Robin.Henderson at cincinnati-oh.gov www.KeepCincinnatiBeautiful.org -----Original Message----- From: cpop-admin at northside.net [mailto:cpop-admin at northside.net]On Behalf Of Stefanie Sunderland Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 1:40 PM To: 'Skip Jones'; cindysue at fuse.net; srsiam at aol.com; 'Tim Golliher'; CPOP at northside.net; '7NSCOP Mail list '; 'Tim Jeckering' Cc: 'Captain Johns'; '2Terri Windeler'; 'Battison, Jeffrey'; 'Steven Baines'; terry.cosgrove at cincinnati-oh.gov; 'Craig Congdon' Subject: RE: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects I recommended that Craig call Chris Simon (vice/liquor) about problems with BP since he has had repeated failed attempts trying to get the owner to assume responsibility for what is happening at this location and said I would help if he wants the additional support. Bob told me last night that Chris recommends that the community object to renewal of their liquor license in order to persuade the owner to cooperate. She expects that the owner will wish to do so and suggested that the community come up with a contract to hold his feet to the fire, I guess, until 2007 when we can decide if he's activity participating in trying to resolve the problems and whether or not to object to the renewal for the second time. Marathon is beginning to take on the appearances of a clientele specific clothing store - hoodies, hair pieces, conterfeit gymmies and jewelry scales - not to mention the individual blunts that have been on sale forever. Because of Sammie's willingness to fund the Kirby camera residents in the area decided that I should first talk with Sammy about the scales, which I did. (I also told Captain Johns.) He said he would remove them from the items offered but there's no way for me to make certain they have been. We need a decoy; someone who could be perceived as a dealer, to go there and try to buy one. Initial responses to my concerns about both blunts and the scales from the employees was "if they don't buy it here they'll buy it someplace else" and "whether they sell these items or not it won't stop the dealers from dealing" in Northside. Meantime, Northside Mart seems to be selling everything the well equipped dealer needs. And god only knows what is happening at the Colerain Mart/Station or the one at Elmore or what our new auto repair/grocery store on Colerain at Blue Rock is up to selling. It seems to me that all are trying to reach what they consider a viable market - a market that probably wouldn't be viable in Hyde Park and/or other neighborhoods that don't noticeably have dealers standing on the corner. I also think this is a bigger problem that we need to direct attention to and may take a lot of effort (Police, B & I, Health) to resolve based on the individual operator, their location, how the owner's responds to our concerns and exactly what they're doing that does or does not meet city code. And then there's always enforcement. Aside from that I do think that there are smaller projects that could effectively be resolved in a short period of time. A smaller project could include curb cuts and street trees in residential areas where double sidewalks are the norm. Or how to get CSX to address their parcel that runs between Mad Anthony and Chambers. Stef _____ From: cpop-admin at northside.net [mailto:cpop-admin at northside.net] On Behalf Of Skip Jones Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:57 AM To: cindysue at fuse.net; srsiam at aol.com; Tim Golliher; CPOP at northside.net; '7NSCOP Mail list '; Tim Jeckering Cc: Captain Johns; 2Terri Windeler; Battison, Jeffrey; Steven Baines; terry.cosgrove at cincinnati-oh.gov Subject: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects I was trying to come up with a list of smaller projects that we could hand off to District 5 as potential CPOP type activities. I was thinking that we could generate a list, see who is interested from the District and try to pair community people with the interested officers from D5. I was also hoping the officers could come up with some ideas as well. Please reply to me and not everyone on the distribution list. I'll stick them all in a spreadsheet and circulate. A few I'm thinking of right off are: Gas Stations selling inappropriate items such as scales. - Bob Sala More Crosswalks around Chase School - BW 45223 Truck blocking crosswalk view in the business district near Wizards- Skip Crosswalk across Hamilton at Palm - Skip -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.northside.net/pipermail/cpop/attachments/20060210/aa71d73d/attachment.html From Robin.Henderson at cincinnati-oh.gov Fri Feb 10 15:11:37 2006 From: Robin.Henderson at cincinnati-oh.gov (Henderson, Robin) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:11:37 -0500 Subject: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects Message-ID: Stef, Thanks for the information. Is there a consensus on what the community would like to have happen with the property? There seem to be a variety of issues- dumping, ongoing maintenance, access to mow, fear they will sell it etc....The solutions to some of these seem different than solutions to other aspects of the problem. Has anyone been in contact with CSX (you said efforts to get things addressed with CSX have been a failure) and does anyone know the nature of those discussions and who at CSX people spoke with? I can check into some things from my end...from our discussion it sounds like if we could get it cleared, have ongoing access to it and maintain it, that would be good. Best of all worlds is that they donate it to the community...I think finding out how much others have paid for similar land that CSX has already disposed of would be helpful. Robin Henderson Program Manager/ Community Improvement Keep Cincinnati Beautiful 801 Plum Street Cincinnati, Ohio 45223 513/352-4388 phone 513/352-4389 fax E-Mail: Robin.Henderson at cincinnati-oh.gov www.KeepCincinnatiBeautiful.org -----Original Message----- From: Stefanie Sunderland [mailto:ssunderland_2848 at fuse.net] Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 2:42 PM To: 'Henderson, Robin'; 'Skip Jones'; cindysue at fuse.net; srsiam at aol.com; 'Tim Golliher'; CPOP at northside.net; '7NSCOP Mail list '; 'Tim Jeckering' Cc: 'Johns, Tom'; 'Windeler, Terri'; 'Battison, Jeffrey'; 'Steven Baines'; 'Cosgrove, Terry'; 'Craig Congdon' Subject: RE: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects Robin, It hasn't been mowed for a year's worth of Sundays. It is regularly used as an illegal dumpsite by both adjoining property owners and non-residents not willing to discard yard waste/tires/old front porches, etc. properly. We have cleaned it numerous times in the spring before the vegetation grows but once the weeds reach full height it's nearly impossible to clean and because it's so overgrown litter, garbage and trash just naturally collect in the undergrowth. The adjoining property owner on south side of CSX property on Chambers has been regularly mowing most of the CSX land from their side yard to their back yard because efforts to get the railroad to address it have been a total failure. Additional concerns from leaders is that if we push CSX too hard they will sell it to the first opportunist who offers to take it off their hands and we'll land up with similar issues on what used to be CSX right of way as we've experienced with Michael Tire or Queen City Barrel that allow it to serve as a wasteland and illegal dump site and are equally as likely not to take care of it. What we want is responsible ownership and the first rights of refusal if it goes on the market. Furthermore, none of the City's departments - Litter, DPS, Health, Parks - seem to have the means to address the property because it belongs to CSX. They're not allowed on it and CSX doesn't respond. Aside from that, nothings wrong with that parcel. Thanks for asking. Stefanie _____ From: Henderson, Robin [mailto:Robin.Henderson at cincinnati-oh.gov] Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 2:21 PM To: 'Stefanie Sunderland'; 'Skip Jones'; cindysue at fuse.net; srsiam at aol.com; 'Tim Golliher'; CPOP at northside.net; '7NSCOP Mail list '; 'Tim Jeckering' Cc: Johns, Tom; Windeler, Terri; Battison, Jeffrey; 'Steven Baines'; Cosgrove, Terry; 'Craig Congdon' Subject: RE: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects What's the issue with the CSX property between Mad Antony and Chambers? I am working with CSX on another project and may be able to get some more info/action etc.., Robin Henderson Program Manager/ Community Improvement Keep Cincinnati Beautiful 801 Plum Street Cincinnati, Ohio 45223 513/352-4388 phone 513/352-4389 fax E-Mail: Robin.Henderson at cincinnati-oh.gov www.KeepCincinnatiBeautiful.org -----Original Message----- From: cpop-admin at northside.net [mailto:cpop-admin at northside.net]On Behalf Of Stefanie Sunderland Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 1:40 PM To: 'Skip Jones'; cindysue at fuse.net; srsiam at aol.com; 'Tim Golliher'; CPOP at northside.net; '7NSCOP Mail list '; 'Tim Jeckering' Cc: 'Captain Johns'; '2Terri Windeler'; 'Battison, Jeffrey'; 'Steven Baines'; terry.cosgrove at cincinnati-oh.gov; 'Craig Congdon' Subject: RE: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects I recommended that Craig call Chris Simon (vice/liquor) about problems with BP since he has had repeated failed attempts trying to get the owner to assume responsibility for what is happening at this location and said I would help if he wants the additional support. Bob told me last night that Chris recommends that the community object to renewal of their liquor license in order to persuade the owner to cooperate. She expects that the owner will wish to do so and suggested that the community come up with a contract to hold his feet to the fire, I guess, until 2007 when we can decide if he's activity participating in trying to resolve the problems and whether or not to object to the renewal for the second time. Marathon is beginning to take on the appearances of a clientele specific clothing store - hoodies, hair pieces, conterfeit gymmies and jewelry scales - not to mention the individual blunts that have been on sale forever. Because of Sammie's willingness to fund the Kirby camera residents in the area decided that I should first talk with Sammy about the scales, which I did. (I also told Captain Johns.) He said he would remove them from the items offered but there's no way for me to make certain they have been. We need a decoy; someone who could be perceived as a dealer, to go there and try to buy one. Initial responses to my concerns about both blunts and the scales from the employees was "if they don't buy it here they'll buy it someplace else" and "whether they sell these items or not it won't stop the dealers from dealing" in Northside. Meantime, Northside Mart seems to be selling everything the well equipped dealer needs. And god only knows what is happening at the Colerain Mart/Station or the one at Elmore or what our new auto repair/grocery store on Colerain at Blue Rock is up to selling. It seems to me that all are trying to reach what they consider a viable market - a market that probably wouldn't be viable in Hyde Park and/or other neighborhoods that don't noticeably have dealers standing on the corner. I also think this is a bigger problem that we need to direct attention to and may take a lot of effort (Police, B & I, Health) to resolve based on the individual operator, their location, how the owner's responds to our concerns and exactly what they're doing that does or does not meet city code. And then there's always enforcement. Aside from that I do think that there are smaller projects that could effectively be resolved in a short period of time. A smaller project could include curb cuts and street trees in residential areas where double sidewalks are the norm. Or how to get CSX to address their parcel that runs between Mad Anthony and Chambers. Stef _____ From: cpop-admin at northside.net [mailto:cpop-admin at northside.net] On Behalf Of Skip Jones Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:57 AM To: cindysue at fuse.net; srsiam at aol.com; Tim Golliher; CPOP at northside.net; '7NSCOP Mail list '; Tim Jeckering Cc: Captain Johns; 2Terri Windeler; Battison, Jeffrey; Steven Baines; terry.cosgrove at cincinnati-oh.gov Subject: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects I was trying to come up with a list of smaller projects that we could hand off to District 5 as potential CPOP type activities. I was thinking that we could generate a list, see who is interested from the District and try to pair community people with the interested officers from D5. I was also hoping the officers could come up with some ideas as well. Please reply to me and not everyone on the distribution list. I'll stick them all in a spreadsheet and circulate. A few I'm thinking of right off are: Gas Stations selling inappropriate items such as scales. - Bob Sala More Crosswalks around Chase School - BW 45223 Truck blocking crosswalk view in the business district near Wizards- Skip Crosswalk across Hamilton at Palm - Skip -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.northside.net/pipermail/cpop/attachments/20060210/5c8110da/attachment.html From tim at jeckeringarchitects.com Fri Feb 10 15:23:29 2006 From: tim at jeckeringarchitects.com (Tim Jeckering) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:23:29 -0500 Subject: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects In-Reply-To: Message-ID: All, I have the lease agreement that Louise Watts signed back in the early 1990's with CXS when they leased the DAR Park to us for $50 a year. That basically gave us the legal right to clean up there litter on the property. We have not paid the lease in years, it seems to me they should be paying us to clean up there land versus the other way around. I would have to look at it to see if there are any contacts or such, but it might help. tim on 2/10/06 3:11 PM, Henderson, Robin at Robin.Henderson at cincinnati-oh.gov wrote: Stef, Thanks for the information. Is there a consensus on what the community would like to have happen with the property? There seem to be a variety of issues- dumping, ongoing maintenance, access to mow, fear they will sell it etc....The solutions to some of these seem different than solutions to other aspects of the problem. Has anyone been in contact with CSX (you said efforts to get things addressed with CSX have been a failure) and does anyone know the nature of those discussions and who at CSX people spoke with? I can check into some things from my end...from our discussion it sounds like if we could get it cleared, have ongoing access to it and maintain it, that would be good. Best of all worlds is that they donate it to the community...I think finding out how much others have paid for similar land that CSX has already disposed of would be helpful. Robin Henderson Program Manager/ Community Improvement Keep Cincinnati Beautiful 801 Plum Street Cincinnati, Ohio 45223 513/352-4388 phone 513/352-4389 fax E-Mail: Robin.Henderson at cincinnati-oh.gov www.KeepCincinnatiBeautiful.org -----Original Message----- From: Stefanie Sunderland [mailto:ssunderland_2848 at fuse.net] Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 2:42 PM To: 'Henderson, Robin'; 'Skip Jones'; cindysue at fuse.net; srsiam at aol.com; 'Tim Golliher'; CPOP at northside.net; '7NSCOP Mail list '; 'Tim Jeckering' Cc: 'Johns, Tom'; 'Windeler, Terri'; 'Battison, Jeffrey'; 'Steven Baines'; 'Cosgrove, Terry'; 'Craig Congdon' Subject: RE: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects Robin, It hasn't been mowed for a year's worth of Sundays. It is regularly used as an illegal dumpsite by both adjoining property owners and non-residents not willing to discard yard waste/tires/old front porches, etc. properly. We have cleaned it numerous times in the spring before the vegetation grows but once the weeds reach full height it's nearly impossible to clean and because it's so overgrown litter, garbage and trash just naturally collect in the undergrowth. The adjoining property owner on south side of CSX property on Chambers has been regularly mowing most of the CSX land from their side yard to their back yard because efforts to get the railroad to address it have been a total failure. Additional concerns from leaders is that if we push CSX too hard they will sell it to the first opportunist who offers to take it off their hands and we'll land up with similar issues on what used to be CSX right of way as we've experienced with Michael Tire or Queen City Barrel that allow it to serve as a wasteland and illegal dump site and are equally as likely not to take care of it. What we want is responsible ownership and the first rights of refusal if it goes on the market. Furthermore, none of the City's departments - Litter, DPS, Health, Parks - seem to have the means to address the property because it belongs to CSX. They're not allowed on it and CSX doesn't respond. Aside from that, nothings wrong with that parcel. Thanks for asking. Stefanie From: Henderson, Robin [mailto:Robin.Henderson at cincinnati-oh.gov] Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 2:21 PM To: 'Stefanie Sunderland'; 'Skip Jones'; cindysue at fuse.net; srsiam at aol.com; 'Tim Golliher'; CPOP at northside.net; '7NSCOP Mail list '; 'Tim Jeckering' Cc: Johns, Tom; Windeler, Terri; Battison, Jeffrey; 'Steven Baines'; Cosgrove, Terry; 'Craig Congdon' Subject: RE: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects What's the issue with the CSX property between Mad Antony and Chambers? I am working with CSX on another project and may be able to get some more info/action etc.., Robin Henderson Program Manager/ Community Improvement Keep Cincinnati Beautiful 801 Plum Street Cincinnati, Ohio 45223 513/352-4388 phone 513/352-4389 fax E-Mail: Robin.Henderson at cincinnati-oh.gov www.KeepCincinnatiBeautiful.org -----Original Message----- From: cpop-admin at northside.net [mailto:cpop-admin at northside.net]On Behalf Of Stefanie Sunderland Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 1:40 PM To: 'Skip Jones'; cindysue at fuse.net; srsiam at aol.com; 'Tim Golliher'; CPOP at northside.net; '7NSCOP Mail list '; 'Tim Jeckering' Cc: 'Captain Johns'; '2Terri Windeler'; 'Battison, Jeffrey'; 'Steven Baines'; terry.cosgrove at cincinnati-oh.gov; 'Craig Congdon' Subject: RE: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects I recommended that Craig call Chris Simon (vice/liquor) about problems with BP since he has had repeated failed attempts trying to get the owner to assume responsibility for what is happening at this location and said I would help if he wants the additional support. Bob told me last night that Chris recommends that the community object to renewal of their liquor license in order to persuade the owner to cooperate. She expects that the owner will wish to do so and suggested that the community come up with a contract to hold his feet to the fire, I guess, until 2007 when we can decide if he's activity participating in trying to resolve the problems and whether or not to object to the renewal for the second time. Marathon is beginning to take on the appearances of a clientele specific clothing store - hoodies, hair pieces, conterfeit gymmies and jewelry scales - not to mention the individual blunts that have been on sale forever. Because of Sammie's willingness to fund the Kirby camera residents in the area decided that I should first talk with Sammy about the scales, which I did. (I also told Captain Johns.) He said he would remove them from the items offered but there's no way for me to make certain they have been. We need a decoy; someone who could be perceived as a dealer, to go there and try to buy one. Initial responses to my concerns about both blunts and the scales from the employees was "if they don't buy it here they'll buy it someplace else" and "whether they sell these items or not it won't stop the dealers from dealing" in Northside. Meantime, Northside Mart seems to be selling everything the well equipped dealer needs. And god only knows what is happening at the Colerain Mart/Station or the one at Elmore or what our new auto repair/grocery store on Colerain at Blue Rock is up to selling. It seems to me that all are trying to reach what they consider a viable market - a market that probably wouldn't be viable in Hyde Park and/or other neighborhoods that don't noticeably have dealers standing on the corner. I also think this is a bigger problem that we need to direct attention to and may take a lot of effort (Police, B & I, Health) to resolve based on the individual operator, their location, how the owner's responds to our concerns and exactly what they're doing that does or does not meet city code. And then there's always enforcement. Aside from that I do think that there are smaller projects that could effectively be resolved in a short period of time. A smaller project could include curb cuts and street trees in residential areas where double sidewalks are the norm. Or how to get CSX to address their parcel that runs between Mad Anthony and Chambers. Stef From: cpop-admin at northside.net [mailto:cpop-admin at northside.net] On Behalf Of Skip Jones Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:57 AM To: cindysue at fuse.net; srsiam at aol.com; Tim Golliher; CPOP at northside.net; '7NSCOP Mail list '; Tim Jeckering Cc: Captain Johns; 2Terri Windeler; Battison, Jeffrey; Steven Baines; terry.cosgrove at cincinnati-oh.gov Subject: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects I was trying to come up with a list of smaller projects that we could hand off to District 5 as potential CPOP type activities. I was thinking that we could generate a list, see who is interested from the District and try to pair community people with the interested officers from D5. I was also hoping the officers could come up with some ideas as well. Please reply to me and not everyone on the distribution list. I'll stick them all in a spreadsheet and circulate. A few I'm thinking of right off are: Gas Stations selling inappropriate items such as scales. - Bob Sala More Crosswalks around Chase School - BW 45223 Truck blocking crosswalk view in the business district near Wizards- Skip Crosswalk across Hamilton at Palm - Skip -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.northside.net/pipermail/cpop/attachments/20060210/e6f7094a/attachment.html From Robin.Henderson at cincinnati-oh.gov Fri Feb 10 15:46:59 2006 From: Robin.Henderson at cincinnati-oh.gov (Henderson, Robin) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:46:59 -0500 Subject: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects Message-ID: A short term solution to the dumping might be to mount a Flash Cam there. Is there a pole or tree that might give us a clear shot of the area? Also, Stefanie said part of the problem is folks dumping over their fence line...We have educational material about illegal dumping and proper disposal of items (i.e. calling 591-600 for special pick up). These could be distributed to the neighbors, along with letting them know about the camera placement. That might deter them from dumping, and encourage them to bring their stuff to the curb. Any thoughts? Robin Henderson Program Manager/ Community Improvement Keep Cincinnati Beautiful 801 Plum Street Cincinnati, Ohio 45223 513/352-4388 phone 513/352-4389 fax E-Mail: Robin.Henderson at cincinnati-oh.gov www.KeepCincinnatiBeautiful.org -----Original Message----- From: Tim Jeckering [mailto:tim at jeckeringarchitects.com] Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 3:23 PM To: Henderson, Robin; 'Stefanie Sunderland'; 'Skip Jones'; cindysue at fuse.net; srsiam at aol.com; 'Tim Golliher'; CPOP at northside.net Cc: Johns, Tom; Windeler, Terri; Battison, Jeffrey; 'Steven Baines'; Cosgrove, Terry; 'Craig Congdon' Subject: Re: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects All, I have the lease agreement that Louise Watts signed back in the early 1990's with CXS when they leased the DAR Park to us for $50 a year. That basically gave us the legal right to clean up there litter on the property. We have not paid the lease in years, it seems to me they should be paying us to clean up there land versus the other way around. I would have to look at it to see if there are any contacts or such, but it might help. tim on 2/10/06 3:11 PM, Henderson, Robin at Robin.Henderson at cincinnati-oh.gov wrote: Stef, Thanks for the information. Is there a consensus on what the community would like to have happen with the property? There seem to be a variety of issues- dumping, ongoing maintenance, access to mow, fear they will sell it etc....The solutions to some of these seem different than solutions to other aspects of the problem. Has anyone been in contact with CSX (you said efforts to get things addressed with CSX have been a failure) and does anyone know the nature of those discussions and who at CSX people spoke with? I can check into some things from my end...from our discussion it sounds like if we could get it cleared, have ongoing access to it and maintain it, that would be good. Best of all worlds is that they donate it to the community...I think finding out how much others have paid for similar land that CSX has already disposed of would be helpful. Robin Henderson Program Manager/ Community Improvement Keep Cincinnati Beautiful 801 Plum Street Cincinnati, Ohio 45223 513/352-4388 phone 513/352-4389 fax E-Mail: Robin.Henderson at cincinnati-oh.gov www.KeepCincinnatiBeautiful.org -----Original Message----- From: Stefanie Sunderland [mailto:ssunderland_2848 at fuse.net] Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 2:42 PM To: 'Henderson, Robin'; 'Skip Jones'; cindysue at fuse.net; srsiam at aol.com; 'Tim Golliher'; CPOP at northside.net; '7NSCOP Mail list '; 'Tim Jeckering' Cc: 'Johns, Tom'; 'Windeler, Terri'; 'Battison, Jeffrey'; 'Steven Baines'; 'Cosgrove, Terry'; 'Craig Congdon' Subject: RE: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects Robin, It hasn't been mowed for a year's worth of Sundays. It is regularly used as an illegal dumpsite by both adjoining property owners and non-residents not willing to discard yard waste/tires/old front porches, etc. properly. We have cleaned it numerous times in the spring before the vegetation grows but once the weeds reach full height it's nearly impossible to clean and because it's so overgrown litter, garbage and trash just naturally collect in the undergrowth. The adjoining property owner on south side of CSX property on Chambers has been regularly mowing most of the CSX land from their side yard to their back yard because efforts to get the railroad to address it have been a total failure. Additional concerns from leaders is that if we push CSX too hard they will sell it to the first opportunist who offers to take it off their hands and we'll land up with similar issues on what used to be CSX right of way as we've experienced with Michael Tire or Queen City Barrel that allow it to serve as a wasteland and illegal dump site and are equally as likely not to take care of it. What we want is responsible ownership and the first rights of refusal if it goes on the market. Furthermore, none of the City's departments - Litter, DPS, Health, Parks - seem to have the means to address the property because it belongs to CSX. They're not allowed on it and CSX doesn't respond. Aside from that, nothings wrong with that parcel. Thanks for asking. Stefanie _____ From: Henderson, Robin [mailto:Robin.Henderson at cincinnati-oh.gov] Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 2:21 PM To: 'Stefanie Sunderland'; 'Skip Jones'; cindysue at fuse.net; srsiam at aol.com; 'Tim Golliher'; CPOP at northside.net; '7NSCOP Mail list '; 'Tim Jeckering' Cc: Johns, Tom; Windeler, Terri; Battison, Jeffrey; 'Steven Baines'; Cosgrove, Terry; 'Craig Congdon' Subject: RE: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects What's the issue with the CSX property between Mad Antony and Chambers? I am working with CSX on another project and may be able to get some more info/action etc.., Robin Henderson Program Manager/ Community Improvement Keep Cincinnati Beautiful 801 Plum Street Cincinnati, Ohio 45223 513/352-4388 phone 513/352-4389 fax E-Mail: Robin.Henderson at cincinnati-oh.gov www.KeepCincinnatiBeautiful.org -----Original Message----- From: cpop-admin at northside.net [mailto:cpop-admin at northside.net]On Behalf Of Stefanie Sunderland Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 1:40 PM To: 'Skip Jones'; cindysue at fuse.net; srsiam at aol.com; 'Tim Golliher'; CPOP at northside.net; '7NSCOP Mail list '; 'Tim Jeckering' Cc: 'Captain Johns'; '2Terri Windeler'; 'Battison, Jeffrey'; 'Steven Baines'; terry.cosgrove at cincinnati-oh.gov; 'Craig Congdon' Subject: RE: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects I recommended that Craig call Chris Simon (vice/liquor) about problems with BP since he has had repeated failed attempts trying to get the owner to assume responsibility for what is happening at this location and said I would help if he wants the additional support. Bob told me last night that Chris recommends that the community object to renewal of their liquor license in order to persuade the owner to cooperate. She expects that the owner will wish to do so and suggested that the community come up with a contract to hold his feet to the fire, I guess, until 2007 when we can decide if he's activity participating in trying to resolve the problems and whether or not to object to the renewal for the second time. Marathon is beginning to take on the appearances of a clientele specific clothing store - hoodies, hair pieces, conterfeit gymmies and jewelry scales - not to mention the individual blunts that have been on sale forever. Because of Sammie's willingness to fund the Kirby camera residents in the area decided that I should first talk with Sammy about the scales, which I did. (I also told Captain Johns.) He said he would remove them from the items offered but there's no way for me to make certain they have been. We need a decoy; someone who could be perceived as a dealer, to go there and try to buy one. Initial responses to my concerns about both blunts and the scales from the employees was "if they don't buy it here they'll buy it someplace else" and "whether they sell these items or not it won't stop the dealers from dealing" in Northside. Meantime, Northside Mart seems to be selling everything the well equipped dealer needs. And god only knows what is happening at the Colerain Mart/Station or the one at Elmore or what our new auto repair/grocery store on Colerain at Blue Rock is up to selling. It seems to me that all are trying to reach what they consider a viable market - a market that probably wouldn't be viable in Hyde Park and/or other neighborhoods that don't noticeably have dealers standing on the corner. I also think this is a bigger problem that we need to direct attention to and may take a lot of effort (Police, B & I, Health) to resolve based on the individual operator, their location, how the owner's responds to our concerns and exactly what they're doing that does or does not meet city code. And then there's always enforcement. Aside from that I do think that there are smaller projects that could effectively be resolved in a short period of time. A smaller project could include curb cuts and street trees in residential areas where double sidewalks are the norm. Or how to get CSX to address their parcel that runs between Mad Anthony and Chambers. Stef _____ From: cpop-admin at northside.net [mailto:cpop-admin at northside.net] On Behalf Of Skip Jones Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:57 AM To: cindysue at fuse.net; srsiam at aol.com; Tim Golliher; CPOP at northside.net; '7NSCOP Mail list '; Tim Jeckering Cc: Captain Johns; 2Terri Windeler; Battison, Jeffrey; Steven Baines; terry.cosgrove at cincinnati-oh.gov Subject: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects I was trying to come up with a list of smaller projects that we could hand off to District 5 as potential CPOP type activities. I was thinking that we could generate a list, see who is interested from the District and try to pair community people with the interested officers from D5. I was also hoping the officers could come up with some ideas as well. Please reply to me and not everyone on the distribution list. I'll stick them all in a spreadsheet and circulate. A few I'm thinking of right off are: Gas Stations selling inappropriate items such as scales. - Bob Sala More Crosswalks around Chase School - BW 45223 Truck blocking crosswalk view in the business district near Wizards- Skip Crosswalk across Hamilton at Palm - Skip -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.northside.net/pipermail/cpop/attachments/20060210/ecd1c05b/attachment.html From ssunderland_2848 at fuse.net Fri Feb 10 15:59:24 2006 From: ssunderland_2848 at fuse.net (Stefanie Sunderland) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:59:24 -0500 Subject: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060210210126.CJNI4651.gx5.fuse.net@sas> All, Just as clarification, the CSX parcel (on Knowlton from almost Fergus to Mad Anthony) is the DAR park parcel. Did we also sign a lease agreement for the opportunity to clean up the CSX parcel from Mad Anthony to Chambers? Stef _____ From: cpop-admin at northside.net [mailto:cpop-admin at northside.net] On Behalf Of Tim Jeckering Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 3:23 PM To: Henderson, Robin; 'Stefanie Sunderland'; 'Skip Jones'; cindysue at fuse.net; srsiam at aol.com; 'Tim Golliher'; CPOP at northside.net Cc: Johns, Tom; Windeler, Terri; Battison, Jeffrey; 'Steven Baines'; Cosgrove, Terry; 'Craig Congdon' Subject: Re: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects All, I have the lease agreement that Louise Watts signed back in the early 1990's with CXS when they leased the DAR Park to us for $50 a year. That basically gave us the legal right to clean up there litter on the property. We have not paid the lease in years, it seems to me they should be paying us to clean up there land versus the other way around. I would have to look at it to see if there are any contacts or such, but it might help. tim on 2/10/06 3:11 PM, Henderson, Robin at Robin.Henderson at cincinnati-oh.gov wrote: Stef, Thanks for the information. Is there a consensus on what the community would like to have happen with the property? There seem to be a variety of issues- dumping, ongoing maintenance, access to mow, fear they will sell it etc....The solutions to some of these seem different than solutions to other aspects of the problem. Has anyone been in contact with CSX (you said efforts to get things addressed with CSX have been a failure) and does anyone know the nature of those discussions and who at CSX people spoke with? I can check into some things from my end...from our discussion it sounds like if we could get it cleared, have ongoing access to it and maintain it, that would be good. Best of all worlds is that they donate it to the community...I think finding out how much others have paid for similar land that CSX has already disposed of would be helpful. Robin Henderson Program Manager/ Community Improvement Keep Cincinnati Beautiful 801 Plum Street Cincinnati, Ohio 45223 513/352-4388 phone 513/352-4389 fax E-Mail: Robin.Henderson at cincinnati-oh.gov www.KeepCincinnatiBeautiful.org -----Original Message----- From: Stefanie Sunderland [mailto:ssunderland_2848 at fuse.net] Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 2:42 PM To: 'Henderson, Robin'; 'Skip Jones'; cindysue at fuse.net; srsiam at aol.com; 'Tim Golliher'; CPOP at northside.net; '7NSCOP Mail list '; 'Tim Jeckering' Cc: 'Johns, Tom'; 'Windeler, Terri'; 'Battison, Jeffrey'; 'Steven Baines'; 'Cosgrove, Terry'; 'Craig Congdon' Subject: RE: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects Robin, It hasn't been mowed for a year's worth of Sundays. It is regularly used as an illegal dumpsite by both adjoining property owners and non-residents not willing to discard yard waste/tires/old front porches, etc. properly. We have cleaned it numerous times in the spring before the vegetation grows but once the weeds reach full height it's nearly impossible to clean and because it's so overgrown litter, garbage and trash just naturally collect in the undergrowth. The adjoining property owner on south side of CSX property on Chambers has been regularly mowing most of the CSX land from their side yard to their back yard because efforts to get the railroad to address it have been a total failure. Additional concerns from leaders is that if we push CSX too hard they will sell it to the first opportunist who offers to take it off their hands and we'll land up with similar issues on what used to be CSX right of way as we've experienced with Michael Tire or Queen City Barrel that allow it to serve as a wasteland and illegal dump site and are equally as likely not to take care of it. What we want is responsible ownership and the first rights of refusal if it goes on the market. Furthermore, none of the City's departments - Litter, DPS, Health, Parks - seem to have the means to address the property because it belongs to CSX. They're not allowed on it and CSX doesn't respond. Aside from that, nothings wrong with that parcel. Thanks for asking. Stefanie _____ From: Henderson, Robin [mailto:Robin.Henderson at cincinnati-oh.gov] Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 2:21 PM To: 'Stefanie Sunderland'; 'Skip Jones'; cindysue at fuse.net; srsiam at aol.com; 'Tim Golliher'; CPOP at northside.net; '7NSCOP Mail list '; 'Tim Jeckering' Cc: Johns, Tom; Windeler, Terri; Battison, Jeffrey; 'Steven Baines'; Cosgrove, Terry; 'Craig Congdon' Subject: RE: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects What's the issue with the CSX property between Mad Antony and Chambers? I am working with CSX on another project and may be able to get some more info/action etc.., Robin Henderson Program Manager/ Community Improvement Keep Cincinnati Beautiful 801 Plum Street Cincinnati, Ohio 45223 513/352-4388 phone 513/352-4389 fax E-Mail: Robin.Henderson at cincinnati-oh.gov www.KeepCincinnatiBeautiful.org -----Original Message----- From: cpop-admin at northside.net [mailto:cpop-admin at northside.net]On Behalf Of Stefanie Sunderland Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 1:40 PM To: 'Skip Jones'; cindysue at fuse.net; srsiam at aol.com; 'Tim Golliher'; CPOP at northside.net; '7NSCOP Mail list '; 'Tim Jeckering' Cc: 'Captain Johns'; '2Terri Windeler'; 'Battison, Jeffrey'; 'Steven Baines'; terry.cosgrove at cincinnati-oh.gov; 'Craig Congdon' Subject: RE: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects I recommended that Craig call Chris Simon (vice/liquor) about problems with BP since he has had repeated failed attempts trying to get the owner to assume responsibility for what is happening at this location and said I would help if he wants the additional support. Bob told me last night that Chris recommends that the community object to renewal of their liquor license in order to persuade the owner to cooperate. She expects that the owner will wish to do so and suggested that the community come up with a contract to hold his feet to the fire, I guess, until 2007 when we can decide if he's activity participating in trying to resolve the problems and whether or not to object to the renewal for the second time. Marathon is beginning to take on the appearances of a clientele specific clothing store - hoodies, hair pieces, conterfeit gymmies and jewelry scales - not to mention the individual blunts that have been on sale forever. Because of Sammie's willingness to fund the Kirby camera residents in the area decided that I should first talk with Sammy about the scales, which I did. (I also told Captain Johns.) He said he would remove them from the items offered but there's no way for me to make certain they have been. We need a decoy; someone who could be perceived as a dealer, to go there and try to buy one. Initial responses to my concerns about both blunts and the scales from the employees was "if they don't buy it here they'll buy it someplace else" and "whether they sell these items or not it won't stop the dealers from dealing" in Northside. Meantime, Northside Mart seems to be selling everything the well equipped dealer needs. And god only knows what is happening at the Colerain Mart/Station or the one at Elmore or what our new auto repair/grocery store on Colerain at Blue Rock is up to selling. It seems to me that all are trying to reach what they consider a viable market - a market that probably wouldn't be viable in Hyde Park and/or other neighborhoods that don't noticeably have dealers standing on the corner. I also think this is a bigger problem that we need to direct attention to and may take a lot of effort (Police, B & I, Health) to resolve based on the individual operator, their location, how the owner's responds to our concerns and exactly what they're doing that does or does not meet city code. And then there's always enforcement. Aside from that I do think that there are smaller projects that could effectively be resolved in a short period of time. A smaller project could include curb cuts and street trees in residential areas where double sidewalks are the norm. Or how to get CSX to address their parcel that runs between Mad Anthony and Chambers. Stef _____ From: cpop-admin at northside.net [mailto:cpop-admin at northside.net] On Behalf Of Skip Jones Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:57 AM To: cindysue at fuse.net; srsiam at aol.com; Tim Golliher; CPOP at northside.net; '7NSCOP Mail list '; Tim Jeckering Cc: Captain Johns; 2Terri Windeler; Battison, Jeffrey; Steven Baines; terry.cosgrove at cincinnati-oh.gov Subject: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects I was trying to come up with a list of smaller projects that we could hand off to District 5 as potential CPOP type activities. I was thinking that we could generate a list, see who is interested from the District and try to pair community people with the interested officers from D5. I was also hoping the officers could come up with some ideas as well. Please reply to me and not everyone on the distribution list. I'll stick them all in a spreadsheet and circulate. A few I'm thinking of right off are: Gas Stations selling inappropriate items such as scales. - Bob Sala More Crosswalks around Chase School - BW 45223 Truck blocking crosswalk view in the business district near Wizards- Skip Crosswalk across Hamilton at Palm - Skip -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.northside.net/pipermail/cpop/attachments/20060210/c840c0c5/attachment.html From tim at jeckeringarchitects.com Fri Feb 10 16:02:25 2006 From: tim at jeckeringarchitects.com (Tim Jeckering) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:02:25 -0500 Subject: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects In-Reply-To: <20060210210126.CJNI4651.gx5.fuse.net@sas> Message-ID: All, I will read the lease over the weekend and let you know. tim on 2/10/06 3:59 PM, Stefanie Sunderland at ssunderland_2848 at fuse.net wrote: All, Just as clarification, the CSX parcel (on Knowlton from almost Fergus to Mad Anthony) is the DAR park parcel. Did we also sign a lease agreement for the opportunity to clean up the CSX parcel from Mad Anthony to Chambers? Stef From: cpop-admin at northside.net [mailto:cpop-admin at northside.net] On Behalf Of Tim Jeckering Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 3:23 PM To: Henderson, Robin; 'Stefanie Sunderland'; 'Skip Jones'; cindysue at fuse.net; srsiam at aol.com; 'Tim Golliher'; CPOP at northside.net Cc: Johns, Tom; Windeler, Terri; Battison, Jeffrey; 'Steven Baines'; Cosgrove, Terry; 'Craig Congdon' Subject: Re: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects All, I have the lease agreement that Louise Watts signed back in the early 1990's with CXS when they leased the DAR Park to us for $50 a year. That basically gave us the legal right to clean up there litter on the property. We have not paid the lease in years, it seems to me they should be paying us to clean up there land versus the other way around. I would have to look at it to see if there are any contacts or such, but it might help. tim on 2/10/06 3:11 PM, Henderson, Robin at Robin.Henderson at cincinnati-oh.gov wrote: Stef, Thanks for the information. Is there a consensus on what the community would like to have happen with the property? There seem to be a variety of issues- dumping, ongoing maintenance, access to mow, fear they will sell it etc....The solutions to some of these seem different than solutions to other aspects of the problem. Has anyone been in contact with CSX (you said efforts to get things addressed with CSX have been a failure) and does anyone know the nature of those discussions and who at CSX people spoke with? I can check into some things from my end...from our discussion it sounds like if we could get it cleared, have ongoing access to it and maintain it, that would be good. Best of all worlds is that they donate it to the community...I think finding out how much others have paid for similar land that CSX has already disposed of would be helpful. Robin Henderson Program Manager/ Community Improvement Keep Cincinnati Beautiful 801 Plum Street Cincinnati, Ohio 45223 513/352-4388 phone 513/352-4389 fax E-Mail: Robin.Henderson at cincinnati-oh.gov www.KeepCincinnatiBeautiful.org -----Original Message----- From: Stefanie Sunderland [mailto:ssunderland_2848 at fuse.net] Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 2:42 PM To: 'Henderson, Robin'; 'Skip Jones'; cindysue at fuse.net; srsiam at aol.com; 'Tim Golliher'; CPOP at northside.net; '7NSCOP Mail list '; 'Tim Jeckering' Cc: 'Johns, Tom'; 'Windeler, Terri'; 'Battison, Jeffrey'; 'Steven Baines'; 'Cosgrove, Terry'; 'Craig Congdon' Subject: RE: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects Robin, It hasn't been mowed for a year's worth of Sundays. It is regularly used as an illegal dumpsite by both adjoining property owners and non-residents not willing to discard yard waste/tires/old front porches, etc. properly. We have cleaned it numerous times in the spring before the vegetation grows but once the weeds reach full height it's nearly impossible to clean and because it's so overgrown litter, garbage and trash just naturally collect in the undergrowth. The adjoining property owner on south side of CSX property on Chambers has been regularly mowing most of the CSX land from their side yard to their back yard because efforts to get the railroad to address it have been a total failure. Additional concerns from leaders is that if we push CSX too hard they will sell it to the first opportunist who offers to take it off their hands and we'll land up with similar issues on what used to be CSX right of way as we've experienced with Michael Tire or Queen City Barrel that allow it to serve as a wasteland and illegal dump site and are equally as likely not to take care of it. What we want is responsible ownership and the first rights of refusal if it goes on the market. Furthermore, none of the City's departments - Litter, DPS, Health, Parks - seem to have the means to address the property because it belongs to CSX. They're not allowed on it and CSX doesn't respond. Aside from that, nothings wrong with that parcel. Thanks for asking. Stefanie From: Henderson, Robin [mailto:Robin.Henderson at cincinnati-oh.gov] Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 2:21 PM To: 'Stefanie Sunderland'; 'Skip Jones'; cindysue at fuse.net; srsiam at aol.com; 'Tim Golliher'; CPOP at northside.net; '7NSCOP Mail list '; 'Tim Jeckering' Cc: Johns, Tom; Windeler, Terri; Battison, Jeffrey; 'Steven Baines'; Cosgrove, Terry; 'Craig Congdon' Subject: RE: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects What's the issue with the CSX property between Mad Antony and Chambers? I am working with CSX on another project and may be able to get some more info/action etc.., Robin Henderson Program Manager/ Community Improvement Keep Cincinnati Beautiful 801 Plum Street Cincinnati, Ohio 45223 513/352-4388 phone 513/352-4389 fax E-Mail: Robin.Henderson at cincinnati-oh.gov www.KeepCincinnatiBeautiful.org -----Original Message----- From: cpop-admin at northside.net [mailto:cpop-admin at northside.net]On Behalf Of Stefanie Sunderland Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 1:40 PM To: 'Skip Jones'; cindysue at fuse.net; srsiam at aol.com; 'Tim Golliher'; CPOP at northside.net; '7NSCOP Mail list '; 'Tim Jeckering' Cc: 'Captain Johns'; '2Terri Windeler'; 'Battison, Jeffrey'; 'Steven Baines'; terry.cosgrove at cincinnati-oh.gov; 'Craig Congdon' Subject: RE: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects I recommended that Craig call Chris Simon (vice/liquor) about problems with BP since he has had repeated failed attempts trying to get the owner to assume responsibility for what is happening at this location and said I would help if he wants the additional support. Bob told me last night that Chris recommends that the community object to renewal of their liquor license in order to persuade the owner to cooperate. She expects that the owner will wish to do so and suggested that the community come up with a contract to hold his feet to the fire, I guess, until 2007 when we can decide if he's activity participating in trying to resolve the problems and whether or not to object to the renewal for the second time. Marathon is beginning to take on the appearances of a clientele specific clothing store - hoodies, hair pieces, conterfeit gymmies and jewelry scales - not to mention the individual blunts that have been on sale forever. Because of Sammie's willingness to fund the Kirby camera residents in the area decided that I should first talk with Sammy about the scales, which I did. (I also told Captain Johns.) He said he would remove them from the items offered but there's no way for me to make certain they have been. We need a decoy; someone who could be perceived as a dealer, to go there and try to buy one. Initial responses to my concerns about both blunts and the scales from the employees was "if they don't buy it here they'll buy it someplace else" and "whether they sell these items or not it won't stop the dealers from dealing" in Northside. Meantime, Northside Mart seems to be selling everything the well equipped dealer needs. And god only knows what is happening at the Colerain Mart/Station or the one at Elmore or what our new auto repair/grocery store on Colerain at Blue Rock is up to selling. It seems to me that all are trying to reach what they consider a viable market - a market that probably wouldn't be viable in Hyde Park and/or other neighborhoods that don't noticeably have dealers standing on the corner. I also think this is a bigger problem that we need to direct attention to and may take a lot of effort (Police, B & I, Health) to resolve based on the individual operator, their location, how the owner's responds to our concerns and exactly what they're doing that does or does not meet city code. And then there's always enforcement. Aside from that I do think that there are smaller projects that could effectively be resolved in a short period of time. A smaller project could include curb cuts and street trees in residential areas where double sidewalks are the norm. Or how to get CSX to address their parcel that runs between Mad Anthony and Chambers. Stef From: cpop-admin at northside.net [mailto:cpop-admin at northside.net] On Behalf Of Skip Jones Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:57 AM To: cindysue at fuse.net; srsiam at aol.com; Tim Golliher; CPOP at northside.net; '7NSCOP Mail list '; Tim Jeckering Cc: Captain Johns; 2Terri Windeler; Battison, Jeffrey; Steven Baines; terry.cosgrove at cincinnati-oh.gov Subject: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects I was trying to come up with a list of smaller projects that we could hand off to District 5 as potential CPOP type activities. I was thinking that we could generate a list, see who is interested from the District and try to pair community people with the interested officers from D5. I was also hoping the officers could come up with some ideas as well. Please reply to me and not everyone on the distribution list. I'll stick them all in a spreadsheet and circulate. A few I'm thinking of right off are: Gas Stations selling inappropriate items such as scales. - Bob Sala More Crosswalks around Chase School - BW 45223 Truck blocking crosswalk view in the business district near Wizards- Skip Crosswalk across Hamilton at Palm - Skip -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.northside.net/pipermail/cpop/attachments/20060210/73ac9781/attachment.html From cgnormaniii at yahoo.com Sat Feb 11 18:38:54 2006 From: cgnormaniii at yahoo.com (CHris Norman) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:38:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects In-Reply-To: <20060210184147.CKG14894.gx4.fuse.net@sas> Message-ID: <20060211233854.78208.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> We are walking on thin ice when we start "advising" merchants what they should and shouldn't sell. The concept of free enterprise and personal rights are at stake with this and the use of survellience cameras. Yes we have a problem at Kirby and Chase - I see it every day - but we also need to attack the problem and not the symptoms. The Marathon (and other markets) are trying to make a living. I regularly patronize the Marthon - and yes they are selling "hoodies" , etc. Where else in the nieghborhood can folks buy clothes? The Northside Exit has thankfully closed (which appeared to be more of a drug store than a clothes store) so the Marthon has picked up that market - sounds like smart store managment to me. They also have an outstanding selction of beers, including many micro breweries. Is it illegal to sell scales? If so, the police should be advised and they can take action. I fully understand that what they sell can encourage like minded folks to patronize their establishment and it is not desireable. But I also know that they are free to sell what they want. We can a) refuse to patronize such places - which may in turn lead to them selling more "undesirable goods" or b) encourage them through purchasing of more "desirable goods". Our push to rid ourselves of crime must not result in loss of personal rights. Stefanie Sunderland wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } I recommended that Craig call Chris Simon (vice/liquor) about problems with BP since he has had repeated failed attempts trying to get the owner to assume responsibility for what is happening at this location and said I would help if he wants the additional support. Bob told me last night that Chris recommends that the community object to renewal of their liquor license in order to persuade the owner to cooperate. She expects that the owner will wish to do so and suggested that the community come up with a contract to hold his feet to the fire, I guess, until 2007 when we can decide if he?s activity participating in trying to resolve the problems and whether or not to object to the renewal for the second time. Marathon is beginning to take on the appearances of a clientele specific clothing store ? hoodies, hair pieces, conterfeit gymmies and jewelry scales ? not to mention the individual blunts that have been on sale forever. Because of Sammie?s willingness to fund the Kirby camera residents in the area decided that I should first talk with Sammy about the scales, which I did. (I also told Captain Johns.) He said he would remove them from the items offered but there?s no way for me to make certain they have been. We need a decoy; someone who could be perceived as a dealer, to go there and try to buy one. Initial responses to my concerns about both blunts and the scales from the employees was ?if they don?t buy it here they?ll buy it someplace else? and ?whether they sell these items or not it won?t stop the dealers from dealing? in Northside. Meantime, Northside Mart seems to be selling everything the well equipped dealer needs. And god only knows what is happening at the Colerain Mart/Station or the one at Elmore or what our new auto repair/grocery store on Colerain at Blue Rock is up to selling. It seems to me that all are trying to reach what they consider a viable market ? a market that probably wouldn?t be viable in Hyde Park and/or other neighborhoods that don?t noticeably have dealers standing on the corner. I also think this is a bigger problem that we need to direct attention to and may take a lot of effort (Police, B & I, Health) to resolve based on the individual operator, their location, how the owner?s responds to our concerns and exactly what they?re doing that does or does not meet city code. And then there?s always enforcement. Aside from that I do think that there are smaller projects that could effectively be resolved in a short period of time. A smaller project could include curb cuts and street trees in residential areas where double sidewalks are the norm. Or how to get CSX to address their parcel that runs between Mad Anthony and Chambers. Stef --------------------------------- From: cpop-admin at northside.net [mailto:cpop-admin at northside.net] On Behalf Of Skip Jones Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:57 AM To: cindysue at fuse.net; srsiam at aol.com; Tim Golliher; CPOP at northside.net; '7NSCOP Mail list '; Tim Jeckering Cc: Captain Johns; 2Terri Windeler; Battison, Jeffrey; Steven Baines; terry.cosgrove at cincinnati-oh.gov Subject: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects I was trying to come up with a list of smaller projects that we could hand off to District 5 as potential CPOP type activities. I was thinking that we could generate a list, see who is interested from the District and try to pair community people with the interested officers from D5. I was also hoping the officers could come up with some ideas as well. Please reply to me and not everyone on the distribution list. I'll stick them all in a spreadsheet and circulate. A few I'm thinking of right off are: Gas Stations selling inappropriate items such as scales. - Bob Sala More Crosswalks around Chase School - BW 45223 Truck blocking crosswalk view in the business district near Wizards- Skip Crosswalk across Hamilton at Palm - Skip --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.northside.net/pipermail/cpop/attachments/20060211/c85c4bcf/attachment.html From garyskitt at cinci.rr.com Sat Feb 11 21:17:49 2006 From: garyskitt at cinci.rr.com (Gary Skitt) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:17:49 -0500 Subject: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects References: <20060211233854.78208.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <015301c62f7a$87976780$86ebd118@cinci.rr.com> Chris, Are you familiar with the 5 years it took us to close down Mcperry's deli on Fergus and Chase? It started out with them selling products that are being sold now at the Marathon and led to us getting their liquor liscense taken away and eventually led to getting the city to buy the building and getting it bull-dozed.By your argument I guess we had no right to do that because we were violating their inaliable capitalistic rights to make a profit selling whatever they leagally please even if it negativly affects our hood.My family has owned the house that we live in(where my gradma and father died) since 1959 and I'll be damned if I allow criminal thug gangster drug dealers the run of our neighborhood. They are the enemy of N'side and we do not have to directly or indirectly(by letting stores like Marathon, etc )let them sell goods that make thier lives any easier.Either the businesses around here can toe line of the requests of the law abiding volunteers that live here or eventually we will drive them out and their businesses will be bull-dozed and turned into housing for law abiding citizens.Period. This is a peaceful and non-violent way to try to get our neighborhood back. Thanks for your work in N;side, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: CHris Norman To: Stefanie Sunderland ; 'Skip Jones' ; cindysue at fuse.net ; srsiam at aol.com ; 'Tim Golliher' ; CPOP at northside.net ; '7NSCOP Mail list ' ; 'Tim Jeckering' Cc: 'Captain Johns' ; '2Terri Windeler' ; 'Battison, Jeffrey' ; 'Steven Baines' ; terry.cosgrove at cincinnati-oh.gov ; 'Craig Congdon' ; lorre at copper.net Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 6:38 PM Subject: RE: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects We are walking on thin ice when we start "advising" merchants what they should and shouldn't sell. The concept of free enterprise and personal rights are at stake with this and the use of survellience cameras. Yes we have a problem at Kirby and Chase - I see it every day - but we also need to attack the problem and not the symptoms. The Marathon (and other markets) are trying to make a living. I regularly patronize the Marthon - and yes they are selling "hoodies" , etc. Where else in the nieghborhood can folks buy clothes? The Northside Exit has thankfully closed (which appeared to be more of a drug store than a clothes store) so the Marthon has picked up that market - sounds like smart store managment to me. They also have an outstanding selction of beers, including many micro breweries. Is it illegal to sell scales? If so, the police should be advised and they can take actio n. I fully understand that what they sell can encourage like minded folks to patronize their establishment and it is not desireable. But I also know that they are free to sell what they want. We can a) refuse to patronize such places - which may in turn lead to them selling more "undesirable goods" or b) encourage them through purchasing of more "desirable goods". Our push to rid ourselves of crime must not result in loss of personal rights. Stefanie Sunderland wrote: I recommended that Craig call Chris Simon (vice/liquor) about problems with BP since he has had repeated failed attempts trying to get the owner to assume responsibility for what is happening at this location and said I would help if he wants the additional support. Bob told me last night that Chris recommends that the community object to renewal of their liquor license in order to persuade the owner to cooperate. She expects that the owner will wish to do so and suggested that the community come up with a contract to hold his feet to the fire, I guess, until 2007 when we can decide if he's activity participating in trying to resolve the problems and whether or not to object to the renewal for the second time. Marathon is beginning to take on the appearances of a clientele specific clothing store - hoodies, hair pieces, conterfeit gymmies and jewelry scales - not to mention the individual blunts that have been on sale forever. Because of Sammie's willingness to fund the Kirby camera residents in the area decided that I should first talk with Sammy about the scales, which I did. (I also told Captain Johns.) He said he would remove them from the items offered but there's no way for me to make certain they have been. We need a decoy; someone who could be perceived as a dealer, to go there and try to buy one. Initial responses to my concerns about both blunts and the scales from the employees was "if they don't buy it here they'll buy it someplace else" and "whether t hey sell these items or not it won't stop the dealers from dealing" in Northside. Meantime, Northside Mart seems to be selling everything the well equipped dealer needs. And god only knows what is happening at the Colerain Mart/Station or the one at Elmore or what our new auto repair/grocery store on Colerain at Blue Rock is up to selling. It seems to me that all are trying to reach what they consider a viable market - a market that probably wouldn't be viable in Hyde Park and/or other neighborhoods that don't noticeably have dealers standing on the corner. I also think this is a bigger problem that we need to direct attention to and may take a lot of effort (Police, B & I, Health) to resolve based on the individual operator, their location, how the owner's responds to our concerns and exactly what they're doing that does or does not meet city code. And then there's always enforcement. Aside from that I do think that there are smaller projects that could effectively be resolved in a short period of time. A smaller project could include curb cuts and street trees in residential areas where double sidewalks are the norm. Or how to get CSX to address their parcel that runs between Mad Anthony and Chambers. Stef ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cpop-admin at northside.net [mailto:cpop-admin at northside.net] On Behalf Of Skip Jones Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:57 AM To: cindysue at fuse.net; srsiam at aol.com; Tim Golliher; CPOP at northside.net; '7NSCOP Mail list '; Tim Jeckering Cc: Captain Johns; 2Terri Windeler; Battison, Jeffrey; Steven Baines; terry.cosgrove at cincinnati-oh.gov Subject: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects I was trying to come up with a list of smaller projects that we could hand off to District 5 as potential CPOP type activities. I was thinking that we could generate a list, see who is interested from the District and try to pair community people with the interested officers from D5. I was also hoping the officers could come up with some ideas as well. Please reply to me and not everyone on the distribution list. I'll stick them all in a spreadsheet and circulate. A few I'm thinking of right off are: Gas Stations selling inappropriate items such as scales. - Bob Sala More Crosswalks around Chase School - BW 45223 Truck blocking crosswalk view in the business district near Wizards- Skip Crosswalk across Hamilton at Palm - Skip ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.northside.net/pipermail/cpop/attachments/20060212/8e5422c4/attachment.html From tim.golliher at fuse.net Sun Feb 12 02:49:38 2006 From: tim.golliher at fuse.net (Tim.Golliher) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 02:49:38 -0500 Subject: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects References: <20060211233854.78208.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> <015301c62f7a$87976780$86ebd118@cinci.rr.com> Message-ID: <001301c62fa8$e227ace0$025c3148@zoomtown.com> Chris: Yes, it is illegal to sell scales in Cincinnati. Sort of. Depends on the viewpoint of the enforcing body. Si Leis and company (actually Art Ney) made it illegal to sell drug-related items thru retail back in around 1980, but I am not sure how the ordinance reads. Might be a good idea to find it, print it out and give it to all store owners in the City. Originally, it was created to make The Cupboard stop selling waterpipes and screens. Ask Amy at the Smoke Shop; she is VERY familiar with the statutes relating to the paraphernalia thing. Tim Golliher ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Skitt To: CHris Norman ; Stefanie Sunderland ; 'Skip Jones' ; cindysue at fuse.net ; srsiam at aol.com ; 'Tim Golliher' ; CPOP at northside.net ; '7NSCOP Mail list ' ; 'Tim Jeckering' Cc: 'Captain Johns' ; '2Terri Windeler' ; 'Battison, Jeffrey' ; 'Steven Baines' ; terry.cosgrove at cincinnati-oh.gov ; 'Craig Congdon' ; lorre at copper.net Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects Chris, Are you familiar with the 5 years it took us to close down Mcperry's deli on Fergus and Chase? It started out with them selling products that are being sold now at the Marathon and led to us getting their liquor liscense taken away and eventually led to getting the city to buy the building and getting it bull-dozed.By your argument I guess we had no right to do that because we were violating their inaliable capitalistic rights to make a profit selling whatever they leagally please even if it negativly affects our hood.My family has owned the house that we live in(where my gradma and father died) since 1959 and I'll be damned if I allow criminal thug gangster drug dealers the run of our neighborhood. They are the enemy of N'side and we do not have to directly or indirectly(by letting stores like Marathon, etc )let them sell goods that make thier lives any easier.Either the businesses around here can toe line of the requests of the law abiding volunteers that live here or eventually we will drive them out and their businesses will be bull-dozed and turned into housing for law abiding citizens.Period. This is a peaceful and non-violent way to try to get our neighborhood back. Thanks for your work in N;side, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: CHris Norman To: Stefanie Sunderland ; 'Skip Jones' ; cindysue at fuse.net ; srsiam at aol.com ; 'Tim Golliher' ; CPOP at northside.net ; '7NSCOP Mail list ' ; 'Tim Jeckering' Cc: 'Captain Johns' ; '2Terri Windeler' ; 'Battison, Jeffrey' ; 'Steven Baines' ; terry.cosgrove at cincinnati-oh.gov ; 'Craig Congdon' ; lorre at copper.net Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 6:38 PM Subject: RE: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects We are walking on thin ice when we start "advising" merchants what they should and shouldn't sell. The concept of free enterprise and personal rights are at stake with this and the use of survellience cameras. Yes we have a problem at Kirby and Chase - I see it every day - but we also need to attack the problem and not the symptoms. The Marathon (and other markets) are trying to make a living. I regularly patronize the Marthon - and yes they are selling "hoodies" , etc. Where else in the nieghborhood can folks buy clothes? The Northside Exit has thankfully closed (which appeared to be more of a drug store than a clothes store) so the Marthon has picked up that market - sounds like smart store managment to me. They also have an outstanding selction of beers, including many micro breweries. Is it illegal to sell scales? If so, the police should be advised and they can take actio n. I fully understand that what they sell can encourage like minded folks to patronize their establishment and it is not desireable. But I also know that they are free to sell what they want. We can a) refuse to patronize such places - which may in turn lead to them selling more "undesirable goods" or b) encourage them through purchasing of more "desirable goods". Our push to rid ourselves of crime must not result in loss of personal rights. Stefanie Sunderland wrote: I recommended that Craig call Chris Simon (vice/liquor) about problems with BP since he has had repeated failed attempts trying to get the owner to assume responsibility for what is happening at this location and said I would help if he wants the additional support. Bob told me last night that Chris recommends that the community object to renewal of their liquor license in order to persuade the owner to cooperate. She expects that the owner will wish to do so and suggested that the community come up with a contract to hold his feet to the fire, I guess, until 2007 when we can decide if he's activity participating in trying to resolve the problems and whether or not to object to the renewal for the second time. Marathon is beginning to take on the appearances of a clientele specific clothing store - hoodies, hair pieces, conterfeit gymmies and jewelry scales - not to mention the individual blunts that have been on sale forever. Because of Sammie's willingness to fund the Kirby camera residents in the area decided that I should first talk with Sammy about the scales, which I did. (I also told Captain Johns.) He said he would remove them from the items offered but there's no way for me to make certain they have been. We need a decoy; someone who could be perceived as a dealer, to go there and try to buy one. Initial responses to my concerns about both blunts and the scales from the employees was "if they don't buy it here they'll buy it someplace else" and "whether t hey sell these items or not it won't stop the dealers from dealing" in Northside. Meantime, Northside Mart seems to be selling everything the well equipped dealer needs. And god only knows what is happening at the Colerain Mart/Station or the one at Elmore or what our new auto repair/grocery store on Colerain at Blue Rock is up to selling. It seems to me that all are trying to reach what they consider a viable market - a market that probably wouldn't be viable in Hyde Park and/or other neighborhoods that don't noticeably have dealers standing on the corner. I also think this is a bigger problem that we need to direct attention to and may take a lot of effort (Police, B & I, Health) to resolve based on the individual operator, their location, how the owner's responds to our concerns and exactly what they're doing that does or does not meet city code. And then there's always enforcement. Aside from that I do think that there are smaller projects that could effectively be resolved in a short period of time. A smaller project could include curb cuts and street trees in residential areas where double sidewalks are the norm. Or how to get CSX to address their parcel that runs between Mad Anthony and Chambers. Stef -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cpop-admin at northside.net [mailto:cpop-admin at northside.net] On Behalf Of Skip Jones Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:57 AM To: cindysue at fuse.net; srsiam at aol.com; Tim Golliher; CPOP at northside.net; '7NSCOP Mail list '; Tim Jeckering Cc: Captain Johns; 2Terri Windeler; Battison, Jeffrey; Steven Baines; terry.cosgrove at cincinnati-oh.gov Subject: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects I was trying to come up with a list of smaller projects that we could hand off to District 5 as potential CPOP type activities. I was thinking that we could generate a list, see who is interested from the District and try to pair community people with the interested officers from D5. I was also hoping the officers could come up with some ideas as well. Please reply to me and not everyone on the distribution list. I'll stick them all in a spreadsheet and circulate. A few I'm thinking of right off are: Gas Stations selling inappropriate items such as scales. - Bob Sala More Crosswalks around Chase School - BW 45223 Truck blocking crosswalk view in the business district near Wizards- Skip Crosswalk across Hamilton at Palm - Skip ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.northside.net/pipermail/cpop/attachments/20060212/a06f47b9/attachment.html From davetori at fuse.net Sun Feb 12 08:35:13 2006 From: davetori at fuse.net (Dave & Tori) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 08:35:13 -0500 Subject: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects In-Reply-To: <001301c62fa8$e227ace0$025c3148@zoomtown.com> Message-ID: Just want to confirm what Tim said. Possessing or selling of scales (and a huge range of other drug paraphernalia) is prohibited under Chapter 879 of the city's municipal code. Check it out here: http://www.municode.com/resources/gateway.asp?pid=19996&sid=35. Violations are misdemeanors of either the first or second degree. Tori -----Original Message----- From: cpop-admin at northside.net [mailto:cpop-admin at northside.net]On Behalf Of Tim.Golliher Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 2:50 AM To: Gary Skitt; CHris Norman; Stefanie Sunderland; 'Skip Jones'; cindysue at fuse.net; srsiam at aol.com; CPOP at northside.net; '7NSCOP Mail list ' Cc: 'Captain Johns'; '2Terri Windeler'; 'Battison, Jeffrey'; 'Steven Baines'; terry.cosgrove at cincinnati-oh.gov; 'Craig Congdon' Subject: Re: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects Chris: Yes, it is illegal to sell scales in Cincinnati. Sort of. Depends on the viewpoint of the enforcing body. Si Leis and company (actually Art Ney) made it illegal to sell drug-related items thru retail back in around 1980, but I am not sure how the ordinance reads. Might be a good idea to find it, print it out and give it to all store owners in the City. Originally, it was created to make The Cupboard stop selling waterpipes and screens. Ask Amy at the Smoke Shop; she is VERY familiar with the statutes relating to the paraphernalia thing. Tim Golliher ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Skitt To: CHris Norman ; Stefanie Sunderland ; 'Skip Jones' ; cindysue at fuse.net ; srsiam at aol.com ; 'Tim Golliher' ; CPOP at northside.net ; '7NSCOP Mail list ' ; 'Tim Jeckering' Cc: 'Captain Johns' ; '2Terri Windeler' ; 'Battison, Jeffrey' ; 'Steven Baines' ; terry.cosgrove at cincinnati-oh.gov ; 'Craig Congdon' ; lorre at copper.net Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects Chris, Are you familiar with the 5 years it took us to close down Mcperry's deli on Fergus and Chase? It started out with them selling products that are being sold now at the Marathon and led to us getting their liquor liscense taken away and eventually led to getting the city to buy the building and getting it bull-dozed.By your argument I guess we had no right to do that because we were violating their inaliable capitalistic rights to make a profit selling whatever they leagally please even if it negativly affects our hood.My family has owned the house that we live in(where my gradma and father died) since 1959 and I'll be damned if I allow criminal thug gangster drug dealers the run of our neighborhood. They are the enemy of N'side and we do not have to directly or indirectly(by letting stores like Marathon, etc )let them sell goods that make thier lives any easier.Either the businesses around here can toe line of the requests of the law abiding volunteers that live here or eventually we will drive them out and their businesses will be bull-dozed and turned into housing for law abiding citizens.Period. This is a peaceful and non-violent way to try to get our neighborhood back. Thanks for your work in N;side, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: CHris Norman To: Stefanie Sunderland ; 'Skip Jones' ; cindysue at fuse.net ; srsiam at aol.com ; 'Tim Golliher' ; CPOP at northside.net ; '7NSCOP Mail list ' ; 'Tim Jeckering' Cc: 'Captain Johns' ; '2Terri Windeler' ; 'Battison, Jeffrey' ; 'Steven Baines' ; terry.cosgrove at cincinnati-oh.gov ; 'Craig Congdon' ; lorre at copper.net Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 6:38 PM Subject: RE: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects We are walking on thin ice when we start "advising" merchants what they should and shouldn't sell. The concept of free enterprise and personal rights are at stake with this and the use of survellience cameras. Yes we have a problem at Kirby and Chase - I see it every day - but we also need to attack the problem and not the symptoms. The Marathon (and other markets) are trying to make a living. I regularly patronize the Marthon - and yes they are selling "hoodies" , etc. Where else in the nieghborhood can folks buy clothes? The Northside Exit has thankfully closed (which appeared to be more of a drug store than a clothes store) so the Marthon has picked up that market - sounds like smart store managment to me. They also have an outstanding selction of beers, including many micro breweries. Is it illegal to sell scales? If so, the police should be advised and they can take actio n. I fully understand that what they sell can encourage like minded folks to patronize their establishment and it is not desireable. But I also know that they are free to sell what they want. We can a) refuse to patronize such places - which may in turn lead to them selling more "undesirable goods" or b) encourage them through purchasing of more "desirable goods". Our push to rid ourselves of crime must not result in loss of personal rights. Stefanie Sunderland wrote: I recommended that Craig call Chris Simon (vice/liquor) about problems with BP since he has had repeated failed attempts trying to get the owner to assume responsibility for what is happening at this location and said I would help if he wants the additional support. Bob told me last night that Chris recommends that the community object to renewal of their liquor license in order to persuade the owner to cooperate. She expects that the owner will wish to do so and suggested that the community come up with a contract to hold his feet to the fire, I guess, until 2007 when we can decide if he?s activity participating in trying to resolve the problems and whether or not to object to the renewal for the second time. Marathon is beginning to take on the appearances of a clientele specific clothing store ? hoodies, hair pieces, conterfeit gymmies and jewelry scales ? not to mention the individual blunts that have been on sale forever. Because of Sammie?s willingness to fund the Kirby camera residents in the area decided that I should first talk with Sammy about the scales, which I did. (I also told Captain Johns.) He said he would remove them from the items offered but there?s no way for me to make certain they have been. We need a decoy; someone who could be perceived as a dealer, to go there and try to buy one. Initial responses to my concerns about both blunts and the scales from the employees was ?if they don?t buy it here they?ll buy it someplace else? and ?whether t hey sell these items or not it won?t stop the dealers from dealing? in Northside. Meantime, Northside Mart seems to be selling everything the well equipped dealer needs. And god only knows what is happening at the Colerain Mart/Station or the one at Elmore or what our new auto repair/grocery store on Colerain at Blue Rock is up to selling. It seems to me that all are trying to reach what they consider a viable market ? a market that probably wouldn?t be viable in Hyde Park and/or other neighborhoods that don?t noticeably have dealers standing on the corner. I also think this is a bigger problem that we need to direct attention to and may take a lot of effort (Police, B & I, Health) to resolve based on the individual operator, their location, how the owner?s responds to our concerns and exactly what they?re doing that does or does not meet city code. And then there?s always enforcement. Aside from that I do think that there are smaller projects that could effectively be resolved in a short period of time. A smaller project could include curb cuts and street trees in residential areas where double sidewalks are the norm. Or how to get CSX to address their parcel that runs between Mad Anthony and Chambers. Stef ------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ From: cpop-admin at northside.net [mailto:cpop-admin at northside.net] On Behalf Of Skip Jones Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:57 AM To: cindysue at fuse.net; srsiam at aol.com; Tim Golliher; CPOP at northside.net; '7NSCOP Mail list '; Tim Jeckering Cc: Captain Johns; 2Terri Windeler; Battison, Jeffrey; Steven Baines; terry.cosgrove at cincinnati-oh.gov Subject: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects I was trying to come up with a list of smaller projects that we could hand off to District 5 as potential CPOP type activities. I was thinking that we could generate a list, see who is interested from the District and try to pair community people with the interested officers from D5. I was also hoping the officers could come up with some ideas as well. Please reply to me and not everyone on the distribution list. I'll stick them all in a spreadsheet and circulate. A few I'm thinking of right off are: Gas Stations selling inappropriate items such as scales. - Bob Sala More Crosswalks around Chase School - BW 45223 Truck blocking crosswalk view in the business district near Wizards- Skip Crosswalk across Hamilton at Palm - Skip ------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.northside.net/pipermail/cpop/attachments/20060212/d1f672c3/attachment.html From tim.golliher at fuse.net Sun Feb 12 10:52:20 2006 From: tim.golliher at fuse.net (Tim.Golliher) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:52:20 -0500 Subject: [Northside COPP Members] RE: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects References: <20060212150049.82072.qmail@web31715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001301c62fec$50d10220$025c3148@zoomtown.com> Anit's note reminded me of Darren and Jim's troubles at ShakeIt Records. They actually caught a guy selling pirated CD's IN THEIR STORE a couple years ago. Darren said that he called the cops, and basically was told that unlicensed merchandise crimes are hard to pusue and make the penalties stick, so tough luck. I wonder if there is any will on the New And Improved Council to address the problem of scales, other drug crap and especially unlicensed merchandise sales, since these all seem to link up with crime hot spots. Thoughts anybody? Tim G. By the way, I am thinking of investing in cameras for my house and garage on my own and giving the recorded images to the police, or just filming around my corner and Northside in general and giving a little 2-minute video of the goings on to Council. Maybe title it "Why People Move Away" or "Bicycle Tours With Anthony Alexander" ----- Original Message ----- From: Anita Smith To: Stefanie Sunderland ; 'Skip Jones' ; cindysue at fuse.net ; srsiam at aol.com ; 'Tim Golliher' ; CPOP at northside.net ; '7NSCOP Mail list ' ; 'Tim Jeckering' Cc: 'Captain Johns' ; '2Terri Windeler' ; 'Battison, Jeffrey' ; 'Steven Baines' ; terry.cosgrove at cincinnati-oh.gov ; 'Craig Congdon' Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [Northside COPP Members] RE: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects I have to wonder with the BP store what BP corporate would say if we approached them. BP does not make the profits from all of the clientele focused sales. I would think there is a nationwide correlation to gas stations product sales in high crime spots. I'd love to see a news story on a city or national level investigating how little the corporate BP cares about the negative impact of their stores in communities. Hit the corporate in their "community image" attributing them to turning a blind eye to the crime they support. The Sunoco on Elsmore is really bad for these types of sales. They are now catering specialty t-shirts with such sayings as "Make your nmoney in the hood" with "$$" signs on them. White T-shirts, hoodies, skull caps,etc. They remodeled last year almost doubling their floor space for retail and quick grab and go food sales. Almost 100% of the retail space is the same clientele specific clothing items. I think they remodeled to accomodate this growing niche market. Anita Stefanie Sunderland wrote: I recommended that Craig call Chris Simon (vice/liquor) about problems with BP since he has had repeated failed attempts trying to get the owner to assume responsibility for what is happening at this location and said I would help if he wants the additional support. Bob told me last night that Chris recommends that the community object to renewal of their liquor license in order to persuade the owner to cooperate. She expects that the owner will wish to do so and suggested that the community come up with a contract to hold his feet to the fire, I guess, until 2007 when we can decide if he's activity participating in trying to resolve the problems and whether or not to object to the renewal for the second time. Marathon is beginning to take on the appearances of a clientele specific clothing store - hoodies, hair pieces, conterfeit gymmies and jewelry scales - not to mention the individual blunts that have been on sale forever. Because of Sammie's willingness to fund the Kirby camera residents in the area decided that I should first talk with Sammy about the scales, which I did. (I also told Captain Johns.) He said he would remove them from the items offered but there's no way for me to make certain they have been. We need a decoy; someone who could be perceived as a dealer, to go there and try to buy one. Initial responses to my concerns about both blunts and the scales from the employees was "if they don't buy it here they'll buy it someplace else" and "whether they sell these items or not it won't stop the dealers from dealing" in Northside. Meantime, Northside Mart seems to be selling everything the well equipped dealer needs. And god only knows what is happening at the Colerain Mart/Station or the one at Elmore or what our new auto repair/grocery store on Colerain at Blue Rock is up to selling. It seems to me that all are trying to reach what they consider a viable market - a market that probably wouldn't be viable in Hyde Park and/or other neighborhoods that don't noticeably have dealers standing on the corner. I also think this is a bigger problem that we need to direct attention to and may take a lot of effort (Police, B & I, Health) to resolve based on the individual operator, their location, how the owner's responds to our concerns and exactly what they're doing that does or does not meet city code. And then there's always enforcement. Aside from that I do think that there are smaller projects that could effectively be resolved in a short period of time. A smaller project could include curb cuts and street trees in residential areas where double sidewalks are the norm. Or how to get CSX to address their parcel that runs between Mad Anthony and Chambers. Stef ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cpop-admin at northside.net [mailto:cpop-admin at northside.net] On Behalf Of Skip Jones Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:57 AM To: cindysue at fuse.net; srsiam at aol.com; Tim Golliher; CPOP at northside.net; '7NSCOP Mail list '; Tim Jeckering Cc: Captain Johns; 2Terri Windeler; Battison, Jeffrey; Steven Baines; terry.cosgrove at cincinnati-oh.gov Subject: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects I was trying to come up with a list of smaller projects that we could hand off to District 5 as potential CPOP type activities. I was thinking that we could generate a list, see who is interested from the District and try to pair community people with the interested officers from D5. I was also hoping the officers could come up with some ideas as well. Please reply to me and not everyone on the distribution list. I'll stick them all in a spreadsheet and circulate. A few I'm thinking of right off are: Gas Stations selling inappropriate items such as scales. - Bob Sala More Crosswalks around Chase School - BW 45223 Truck blocking crosswalk view in the business district near Wizards- Skip Crosswalk across Hamilton at Palm - Skip ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.northside.net/pipermail/cpop/attachments/20060212/ffe72b3f/attachment.html From ssunderland_2848 at fuse.net Sun Feb 12 11:01:47 2006 From: ssunderland_2848 at fuse.net (Stefanie Sunderland) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:01:47 -0500 Subject: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060212160347.FYUT14894.gx4.fuse.net@sas> Looks like a project that has a broad-based interest. Maybe we can create teams to investigate and work on each location and come up with recommendations as how to address specific locations depending on how they are contributing to the drug trade as well as a general response to certain things we expect from all locations. I'll bet there are members of Block Watch 45223 that will gladly help, also. Maybe even South Cumminsville would want to participate on the Elmore station. How does everyone else feel about this? Stefanie _____ From: Dave & Tori [mailto:davetori at fuse.net] Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 8:35 AM To: Tim.Golliher; Gary Skitt; CHris Norman; Stefanie Sunderland; 'Skip Jones'; cindysue at fuse.net; srsiam at aol.com; CPOP at northside.net; '7NSCOP Mail list ' Cc: 'Captain Johns'; '2Terri Windeler'; 'Battison, Jeffrey'; 'Steven Baines'; terry.cosgrove at cincinnati-oh.gov; 'Craig Congdon' Subject: RE: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects Just want to confirm what Tim said. Possessing or selling of scales (and a huge range of other drug paraphernalia) is prohibited under Chapter 879 of the city's municipal code. Check it out here: http://www.municode.com/resources/gateway.asp?pid=19996 &sid=35. Violations are misdemeanors of either the first or second degree. Tori -----Original Message----- From: cpop-admin at northside.net [mailto:cpop-admin at northside.net]On Behalf Of Tim.Golliher Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 2:50 AM To: Gary Skitt; CHris Norman; Stefanie Sunderland; 'Skip Jones'; cindysue at fuse.net; srsiam at aol.com; CPOP at northside.net; '7NSCOP Mail list ' Cc: 'Captain Johns'; '2Terri Windeler'; 'Battison, Jeffrey'; 'Steven Baines'; terry.cosgrove at cincinnati-oh.gov; 'Craig Congdon' Subject: Re: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects Chris: Yes, it is illegal to sell scales in Cincinnati. Sort of. Depends on the viewpoint of the enforcing body. Si Leis and company (actually Art Ney) made it illegal to sell drug-related items thru retail back in around 1980, but I am not sure how the ordinance reads. Might be a good idea to find it, print it out and give it to all store owners in the City. Originally, it was created to make The Cupboard stop selling waterpipes and screens. Ask Amy at the Smoke Shop; she is VERY familiar with the statutes relating to the paraphernalia thing. Tim Golliher ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Skitt To: CHris Norman ; Stefanie Sunderland ; 'Skip Jones' ; cindysue at fuse.net ; srsiam at aol.com ; 'Tim Golliher' ; CPOP at northside.net ; '7NSCOP Mail list ' ; 'Tim Jeckering' Cc: 'Captain Johns' ; '2Terri Windeler' ; 'Battison, Jeffrey' ; 'Steven Baines' ; terry.cosgrove at cincinnati-oh.gov ; 'Craig Congdon' ; lorre at copper.net Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects Chris, Are you familiar with the 5 years it took us to close down Mcperry's deli on Fergus and Chase? It started out with them selling products that are being sold now at the Marathon and led to us getting their liquor liscense taken away and eventually led to getting the city to buy the building and getting it bull-dozed.By your argument I guess we had no right to do that because we were violating their inaliable capitalistic rights to make a profit selling whatever they leagally please even if it negativly affects our hood.My family has owned the house that we live in(where my gradma and father died) since 1959 and I'll be damned if I allow criminal thug gangster drug dealers the run of our neighborhood. They are the enemy of N'side and we do not have to directly or indirectly(by letting stores like Marathon, etc )let them sell goods that make thier lives any easier.Either the businesses around here can toe line of the requests of the law abiding volunteers that live here or eventually we will drive them out and their businesses will be bull-dozed and turned into housing for law abiding citizens.Period. This is a peaceful and non-violent way to try to get our neighborhood back. Thanks for your work in N;side, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: CHris Norman To: Stefanie Sunderland ; 'Skip Jones' ; cindysue at fuse.net ; srsiam at aol.com ; 'Tim Golliher' ; CPOP at northside.net ; '7NSCOP Mail list ' ; 'Tim Jeckering' Cc: 'Captain Johns' ; '2Terri Windeler' ; 'Battison, Jeffrey' ; 'Steven Baines' ; terry.cosgrove at cincinnati-oh.gov ; 'Craig Congdon' ; lorre at copper.net Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 6:38 PM Subject: RE: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects We are walking on thin ice when we start "advising" merchants what they should and shouldn't sell. The concept of free enterprise and personal rights are at stake with this and the use of survellience cameras. Yes we have a problem at Kirby and Chase - I see it every day - but we also need to attack the problem and not the symptoms. The Marathon (and other markets) are trying to make a living. I regularly patronize the Marthon - and yes they are selling "hoodies" , etc. Where else in the nieghborhood can folks buy clothes? The Northside Exit has thankfully closed (which appeared to be more of a drug store than a clothes store) so the Marthon has picked up that market - sounds like smart store managment to me. They also have an outstanding selction of beers, including many micro breweries. Is it illegal to sell scales? If so, the police should be advised and they can take actio n. I fully understand that what they sell can encourage like minded folks to patronize their establishment and it is not desireable. But I also know that they are free to sell what they want. We can a) refuse to patronize such places - which may in turn lead to them selling more "undesirable goods" or b) encourage them through purchasing of more "desirable goods". Our push to rid ourselves of crime must not result in loss of personal rights. Stefanie Sunderland wrote: I recommended that Craig call Chris Simon (vice/liquor) about problems with BP since he has had repeated failed attempts trying to get the owner to assume responsibility for what is happening at this location and said I would help if he wants the additional support. Bob told me last night that Chris recommends that the community object to renewal of their liquor license in order to persuade the owner to cooperate. She expects that the owner will wish to do so and suggested that the community come up with a contract to hold his feet to the fire, I guess, until 2007 when we can decide if he's activity participating in trying to resolve the problems and whether or not to object to the renewal for the second time. Marathon is beginning to take on the appearances of a clientele specific clothing store - hoodies, hair pieces, conterfeit gymmies and jewelry scales - not to mention the individual blunts that have been on sale forever. Because of Sammie's willingness to fund the Kirby camera residents in the area decided that I should first talk with Sammy about the scales, which I did. (I also told Captain Johns.) He said he would remove them from the items offered but there's no way for me to make certain they have been. We need a decoy; someone who could be perceived as a dealer, to go there and try to buy one. Initial responses to my concerns about both blunts and the scales from the employees was "if they don't buy it here they'll buy it someplace else" and "whether t hey sell these items or not it won't stop the dealers from dealing" in Northside. Meantime, Northside Mart seems to be selling everything the well equipped dealer needs. And god only knows what is happening at the Colerain Mart/Station or the one at Elmore or what our new auto repair/grocery store on Colerain at Blue Rock is up to selling. It seems to me that all are trying to reach what they consider a viable market - a market that probably wouldn't be viable in Hyde Park and/or other neighborhoods that don't noticeably have dealers standing on the corner. I also think this is a bigger problem that we need to direct attention to and may take a lot of effort (Police, B & I, Health) to resolve based on the individual operator, their location, how the owner's responds to our concerns and exactly what they're doing that does or does not meet city code. And then there's always enforcement. Aside from that I do think that there are smaller projects that could effectively be resolved in a short period of time. A smaller project could include curb cuts and street trees in residential areas where double sidewalks are the norm. Or how to get CSX to address their parcel that runs between Mad Anthony and Chambers. Stef _____ From: cpop-admin at northside.net [mailto:cpop-admin at northside.net] On Behalf Of Skip Jones Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:57 AM To: cindysue at fuse.net; srsiam at aol.com; Tim Golliher; CPOP at northside.net; '7NSCOP Mail list '; Tim Jeckering Cc: Captain Johns; 2Terri Windeler; Battison, Jeffrey; Steven Baines; terry.cosgrove at cincinnati-oh.gov Subject: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects I was trying to come up with a list of smaller projects that we could hand off to District 5 as potential CPOP type activities. I was thinking that we could generate a list, see who is interested from the District and try to pair community people with the interested officers from D5. I was also hoping the officers could come up with some ideas as well. Please reply to me and not everyone on the distribution list. I'll stick them all in a spreadsheet and circulate. A few I'm thinking of right off are: Gas Stations selling inappropriate items such as scales. - Bob Sala More Crosswalks around Chase School - BW 45223 Truck blocking crosswalk view in the business district near Wizards- Skip Crosswalk across Hamilton at Palm - Skip _____ Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.northside.net/pipermail/cpop/attachments/20060212/d796f248/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Anita Smith" Subject: Re: [Northside COPP Members] RE: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:00:49 -0500 Size: 19271 Url: http://lists.northside.net/pipermail/cpop/attachments/20060212/d796f248/attachment.mht From anitanscop at yahoo.com Sun Feb 12 10:00:49 2006 From: anitanscop at yahoo.com (Anita Smith) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:00:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Northside COPP Members] RE: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects In-Reply-To: <20060210184147.CKG14894.gx4.fuse.net@sas> Message-ID: <20060212150049.82072.qmail@web31715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have to wonder with the BP store what BP corporate would say if we approached them. BP does not make the profits from all of the clientele focused sales. I would think there is a nationwide correlation to gas stations product sales in high crime spots. I'd love to see a news story on a city or national level investigating how little the corporate BP cares about the negative impact of their stores in communities. Hit the corporate in their "community image" attributing them to turning a blind eye to the crime they support. The Sunoco on Elsmore is really bad for these types of sales. They are now catering specialty t-shirts with such sayings as "Make your nmoney in the hood" with "$$" signs on them. White T-shirts, hoodies, skull caps,etc. They remodeled last year almost doubling their floor space for retail and quick grab and go food sales. Almost 100% of the retail space is the same clientele specific clothing items. I think they remodeled to accomodate this growing niche market. Anita Stefanie Sunderland wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } I recommended that Craig call Chris Simon (vice/liquor) about problems with BP since he has had repeated failed attempts trying to get the owner to assume responsibility for what is happening at this location and said I would help if he wants the additional support. Bob told me last night that Chris recommends that the community object to renewal of their liquor license in order to persuade the owner to cooperate. She expects that the owner will wish to do so and suggested that the community come up with a contract to hold his feet to the fire, I guess, until 2007 when we can decide if he?s activity participating in trying to resolve the problems and whether or not to object to the renewal for the second time. Marathon is beginning to take on the appearances of a clientele specific clothing store ? hoodies, hair pieces, conterfeit gymmies and jewelry scales ? not to mention the individual blunts that have been on sale forever. Because of Sammie?s willingness to fund the Kirby camera residents in the area decided that I should first talk with Sammy about the scales, which I did. (I also told Captain Johns.) He said he would remove them from the items offered but there?s no way for me to make certain they have been. We need a decoy; someone who could be perceived as a dealer, to go there and try to buy one. Initial responses to my concerns about both blunts and the scales from the employees was ?if they don?t buy it here they?ll buy it someplace else? and ?whether they sell these items or not it won?t stop the dealers from dealing? in Northside. Meantime, Northside Mart seems to be selling everything the well equipped dealer needs. And god only knows what is happening at the Colerain Mart/Station or the one at Elmore or what our new auto repair/grocery store on Colerain at Blue Rock is up to selling. It seems to me that all are trying to reach what they consider a viable market ? a market that probably wouldn?t be viable in Hyde Park and/or other neighborhoods that don?t noticeably have dealers standing on the corner. I also think this is a bigger problem that we need to direct attention to and may take a lot of effort (Police, B & I, Health) to resolve based on the individual operator, their location, how the owner?s responds to our concerns and exactly what they?re doing that does or does not meet city code. And then there?s always enforcement. Aside from that I do think that there are smaller projects that could effectively be resolved in a short period of time. A smaller project could include curb cuts and street trees in residential areas where double sidewalks are the norm. Or how to get CSX to address their parcel that runs between Mad Anthony and Chambers. Stef --------------------------------- From: cpop-admin at northside.net [mailto:cpop-admin at northside.net] On Behalf Of Skip Jones Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:57 AM To: cindysue at fuse.net; srsiam at aol.com; Tim Golliher; CPOP at northside.net; '7NSCOP Mail list '; Tim Jeckering Cc: Captain Johns; 2Terri Windeler; Battison, Jeffrey; Steven Baines; terry.cosgrove at cincinnati-oh.gov Subject: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects I was trying to come up with a list of smaller projects that we could hand off to District 5 as potential CPOP type activities. I was thinking that we could generate a list, see who is interested from the District and try to pair community people with the interested officers from D5. I was also hoping the officers could come up with some ideas as well. Please reply to me and not everyone on the distribution list. I'll stick them all in a spreadsheet and circulate. A few I'm thinking of right off are: Gas Stations selling inappropriate items such as scales. - Bob Sala More Crosswalks around Chase School - BW 45223 Truck blocking crosswalk view in the business district near Wizards- Skip Crosswalk across Hamilton at Palm - Skip --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.northside.net/pipermail/cpop/attachments/20060212/10616ef8/attachment.html From cgnormaniii at yahoo.com Sun Feb 12 12:12:06 2006 From: cgnormaniii at yahoo.com (CHris Norman) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:12:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects In-Reply-To: <015301c62f7a$87976780$86ebd118@cinci.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060212171206.70531.qmail@web50614.mail.yahoo.com> Gary, I am familiar with the McPerry's story and am as eager as everyone to get the drug trade out of the nieghborhood. I think the idea of reminding the shop keepers that certain items are illeagal (Thanks Tim and Tori for rooting this out so quickly) to sell is a good one, as long as we have the backing of the police to step up enforcement. There has to be an economic and inconvienece factor that out weighs the profits. Without that, the paraphenalia sales will continue. I'm willing to provide assistance with this. Thanks Gary Skitt wrote: Chris, Are you familiar with the 5 years it took us to close down Mcperry's deli on Fergus and Chase? It started out with them selling products that are being sold now at the Marathon and led to us getting their liquor liscense taken away and eventually led to getting the city to buy the building and getting it bull-dozed.By your argument I guess we had no right to do that because we were violating their inaliable capitalistic rights to make a profit selling whatever they leagally please even if it negativly affects our hood.My family has owned the house that we live in(where my gradma and father died) since 1959 and I'll be damned if I allow criminal thug gangster drug dealers the run of our neighborhood. They are the enemy of N'side and we do not have to directly or indirectly(by letting stores like Marathon, etc )let them sell goods that make thier lives any easier.Either the businesses around here can toe line of the requests of the law abiding volunteers that live here or eventually we will drive them out and their businesses will be bull-dozed and turned into housing for law abiding citizens.Period. This is a peaceful and non-violent way to try to get our neighborhood back. Thanks for your work in N;side, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: CHris Norman To: Stefanie Sunderland ; 'Skip Jones' ; cindysue at fuse.net ; srsiam at aol.com ; 'Tim Golliher' ; CPOP at northside.net ; '7NSCOP Mail list ' ; 'Tim Jeckering' Cc: 'Captain Johns' ; '2Terri Windeler' ; 'Battison, Jeffrey' ; 'Steven Baines' ; terry.cosgrove at cincinnati-oh.gov ; 'Craig Congdon' ; lorre at copper.net Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 6:38 PM Subject: RE: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects We are walking on thin ice when we start "advising" merchants what they should and shouldn't sell. The concept of free enterprise and personal rights are at stake with this and the use of survellience cameras. Yes we have a problem at Kirby and Chase - I see it every day - but we also need to attack the problem and not the symptoms. The Marathon (and other markets) are trying to make a living. I regularly patronize the Marthon - and yes they are selling "hoodies" , etc. Where else in the nieghborhood can folks buy clothes? The Northside Exit has thankfully closed (which appeared to be more of a drug store than a clothes store) so the Marthon has picked up that market - sounds like smart store managment to me. They also have an outstanding selction of beers, including many micro breweries. Is it illegal to sell scales? If so, the police should be advised and they can take actio n. I fully understand that what they sell can encourage like minded folks to patronize their establishment and it is not desireable. But I also know that they are free to sell what they want. We can a) refuse to patronize such places - which may in turn lead to them selling more "undesirable goods" or b) encourage them through purchasing of more "desirable goods". Our push to rid ourselves of crime must not result in loss of personal rights. Stefanie Sunderland wrote: v\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } o\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } w\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } .shape { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } I recommended that Craig call Chris Simon (vice/liquor) about problems with BP since he has had repeated failed attempts trying to get the owner to assume responsibility for what is happening at this location and said I would help if he wants the additional support. Bob told me last night that Chris recommends that the community object to renewal of their liquor license in order to persuade the owner to cooperate. She expects that the owner will wish to do so and suggested that the community come up with a contract to hold his feet to the fire, I guess, until 2007 when we can decide if he?s activity participating in trying to resolve the problems and whether or not to object to the renewal for the second time. Marathon is beginning to take on the appearances of a clientele specific clothing store ? hoodies, hair pieces, conterfeit gymmies and jewelry scales ? not to mention the individual blunts that have been on sale forever. Because of Sammie?s willingness to fund the Kirby camera residents in the area decided that I should first talk with Sammy about the scales, which I did. (I also told Captain Johns.) He said he would remove them from the items offered but there?s no way for me to make certain they have been. We need a decoy; someone who could be perceived as a dealer, to go there and try to buy one. Initial responses to my concerns about both blunts and the scales from the employees was ?if they don?t buy it here they?ll buy it someplace else? and ?whether t hey sell these items or not it won?t stop the dealers from dealing? in Northside. Meantime, Northside Mart seems to be selling everything the well equipped dealer needs. And god only knows what is happening at the Colerain Mart/Station or the one at Elmore or what our new auto repair/grocery store on Colerain at Blue Rock is up to selling. It seems to me that all are trying to reach what they consider a viable market ? a market that probably wouldn?t be viable in Hyde Park and/or other neighborhoods that don?t noticeably have dealers standing on the corner. I also think this is a bigger problem that we need to direct attention to and may take a lot of effort (Police, B & I, Health) to resolve based on the individual operator, their location, how the owner?s responds to our concerns and exactly what they?re doing that does or does not meet city code. And then there?s always enforcement. Aside from that I do think that there are smaller projects that could effectively be resolved in a short period of time. A smaller project could include curb cuts and street trees in residential areas where double sidewalks are the norm. Or how to get CSX to address their parcel that runs between Mad Anthony and Chambers. Stef --------------------------------- From: cpop-admin at northside.net [mailto:cpop-admin at northside.net] On Behalf Of Skip Jones Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:57 AM To: cindysue at fuse.net; srsiam at aol.com; Tim Golliher; CPOP at northside.net; '7NSCOP Mail list '; Tim Jeckering Cc: Captain Johns; 2Terri Windeler; Battison, Jeffrey; Steven Baines; terry.cosgrove at cincinnati-oh.gov Subject: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects I was trying to come up with a list of smaller projects that we could hand off to District 5 as potential CPOP type activities. I was thinking that we could generate a list, see who is interested from the District and try to pair community people with the interested officers from D5. I was also hoping the officers could come up with some ideas as well. Please reply to me and not everyone on the distribution list. I'll stick them all in a spreadsheet and circulate. A few I'm thinking of right off are: Gas Stations selling inappropriate items such as scales. - Bob Sala More Crosswalks around Chase School - BW 45223 Truck blocking crosswalk view in the business district near Wizards- Skip Crosswalk across Hamilton at Palm - Skip --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.northside.net/pipermail/cpop/attachments/20060212/2f163256/attachment.html From skipjones at fuse.net Sun Feb 12 11:42:50 2006 From: skipjones at fuse.net (Skip Jones) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:42:50 -0500 Subject: [Northside COPP Members] RE: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects References: <20060212160347.FYUT14894.gx4.fuse.net@sas> Message-ID: <003d01c62ff3$5f0c7c50$6a13a8c0@DDFP7P61> There are a lot of people on this this distribution list that are being flooded with e-mails and that's my fault. I had just intended to get some ideas sent back to me for later discussion not to get details sent to everyone and I thought that was pretty clear in the original email. Although, I have to admit all of the emails are interesting. ----- Original Message ----- From: Stefanie Sunderland To: 'Dave & Tori' ; 'Tim.Golliher' ; 'Gary Skitt' ; 'CHris Norman' ; 'Skip Jones' ; cindysue at fuse.net ; srsiam at aol.com ; CPOP at northside.net ; '7NSCOP Mail list ' Cc: 'Captain Johns' ; '2Terri Windeler' ; 'Battison, Jeffrey' ; 'Steven Baines' ; terry.cosgrove at cincinnati-oh.gov ; 'Craig Congdon' ; 'Robert Sala' Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 11:01 AM Subject: [Northside COPP Members] RE: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects Looks like a project that has a broad-based interest. Maybe we can create teams to investigate and work on each location and come up with recommendations as how to address specific locations depending on how they are contributing to the drug trade as well as a general response to certain things we expect from all locations. I'll bet there are members of Block Watch 45223 that will gladly help, also. Maybe even South Cumminsville would want to participate on the Elmore station. How does everyone else feel about this? Stefanie ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Dave & Tori [mailto:davetori at fuse.net] Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 8:35 AM To: Tim.Golliher; Gary Skitt; CHris Norman; Stefanie Sunderland; 'Skip Jones'; cindysue at fuse.net; srsiam at aol.com; CPOP at northside.net; '7NSCOP Mail list ' Cc: 'Captain Johns'; '2Terri Windeler'; 'Battison, Jeffrey'; 'Steven Baines'; terry.cosgrove at cincinnati-oh.gov; 'Craig Congdon' Subject: RE: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects Just want to confirm what Tim said. Possessing or selling of scales (and a huge range of other drug paraphernalia) is prohibited under Chapter 879 of the city's municipal code. Check it out here: http://www.municode.com/resources/gateway.asp?pid=19996&sid=35. Violations are misdemeanors of either the first or second degree. Tori -----Original Message----- From: cpop-admin at northside.net [mailto:cpop-admin at northside.net]On Behalf Of Tim.Golliher Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 2:50 AM To: Gary Skitt; CHris Norman; Stefanie Sunderland; 'Skip Jones'; cindysue at fuse.net; srsiam at aol.com; CPOP at northside.net; '7NSCOP Mail list ' Cc: 'Captain Johns'; '2Terri Windeler'; 'Battison, Jeffrey'; 'Steven Baines'; terry.cosgrove at cincinnati-oh.gov; 'Craig Congdon' Subject: Re: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects Chris: Yes, it is illegal to sell scales in Cincinnati. Sort of. Depends on the viewpoint of the enforcing body. Si Leis and company (actually Art Ney) made it illegal to sell drug-related items thru retail back in around 1980, but I am not sure how the ordinance reads. Might be a good idea to find it, print it out and give it to all store owners in the City. Originally, it was created to make The Cupboard stop selling waterpipes and screens. Ask Amy at the Smoke Shop; she is VERY familiar with the statutes relating to the paraphernalia thing. Tim Golliher ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Skitt To: CHris Norman ; Stefanie Sunderland ; 'Skip Jones' ; cindysue at fuse.net ; srsiam at aol.com ; 'Tim Golliher' ; CPOP at northside.net ; '7NSCOP Mail list ' ; 'Tim Jeckering' Cc: 'Captain Johns' ; '2Terri Windeler' ; 'Battison, Jeffrey' ; 'Steven Baines' ; terry.cosgrove at cincinnati-oh.gov ; 'Craig Congdon' ; lorre at copper.net Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects Chris, Are you familiar with the 5 years it took us to close down Mcperry's deli on Fergus and Chase? It started out with them selling products that are being sold now at the Marathon and led to us getting their liquor liscense taken away and eventually led to getting the city to buy the building and getting it bull-dozed.By your argument I guess we had no right to do that because we were violating their inaliable capitalistic rights to make a profit selling whatever they leagally please even if it negativly affects our hood.My family has owned the house that we live in(where my gradma and father died) since 1959 and I'll be damned if I allow criminal thug gangster drug dealers the run of our neighborhood. They are the enemy of N'side and we do not have to directly or indirectly(by letting stores like Marathon, etc )let them sell goods that make thier lives any easier.Either the businesses around here can toe line of the requests of the law abiding volunteers that live here or eventually we will drive them out and their businesses will be bull-dozed and turned into housing for law abiding citizens.Period. This is a peaceful and non-violent way to try to get our neighborhood back. Thanks for your work in N;side, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: CHris Norman To: Stefanie Sunderland ; 'Skip Jones' ; cindysue at fuse.net ; srsiam at aol.com ; 'Tim Golliher' ; CPOP at northside.net ; '7NSCOP Mail list ' ; 'Tim Jeckering' Cc: 'Captain Johns' ; '2Terri Windeler' ; 'Battison, Jeffrey' ; 'Steven Baines' ; terry.cosgrove at cincinnati-oh.gov ; 'Craig Congdon' ; lorre at copper.net Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 6:38 PM Subject: RE: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects We are walking on thin ice when we start "advising" merchants what they should and shouldn't sell. The concept of free enterprise and personal rights are at stake with this and the use of survellience cameras. Yes we have a problem at Kirby and Chase - I see it every day - but we also need to attack the problem and not the symptoms. The Marathon (and other markets) are trying to make a living. I regularly patronize the Marthon - and yes they are selling "hoodies" , etc. Where else in the nieghborhood can folks buy clothes? The Northside Exit has thankfully closed (which appeared to be more of a drug store than a clothes store) so the Marthon has picked up that market - sounds like smart store managment to me. They also have an outstanding selction of beers, including many micro breweries. Is it illegal to sell scales? If so, the police should be advised and they can take actio n. I fully understand that what they sell can encourage like minded folks to patronize their establishment and it is not desireable. But I also know that they are free to sell what they want. We can a) refuse to patronize such places - which may in turn lead to them selling more "undesirable goods" or b) encourage them through purchasing of more "desirable goods". Our push to rid ourselves of crime must not result in loss of personal rights. Stefanie Sunderland wrote: I recommended that Craig call Chris Simon (vice/liquor) about problems with BP since he has had repeated failed attempts trying to get the owner to assume responsibility for what is happening at this location and said I would help if he wants the additional support. Bob told me last night that Chris recommends that the community object to renewal of their liquor license in order to persuade the owner to cooperate. She expects that the owner will wish to do so and suggested that the community come up with a contract to hold his feet to the fire, I guess, until 2007 when we can decide if he's activity participating in trying to resolve the problems and whether or not to object to the renewal for the second time. Marathon is beginning to take on the appearances of a clientele specific clothing store - hoodies, hair pieces, conterfeit gymmies and jewelry scales - not to mention the individual blunts that have been on sale forever. Because of Sammie's willingness to fund the Kirby camera residents in the area decided that I should first talk with Sammy about the scales, which I did. (I also told Captain Johns.) He said he would remove them from the items offered but there's no way for me to make certain they have been. We need a decoy; someone who could be perceived as a dealer, to go there and try to buy one. Initial responses to my concerns about both blunts and the scales from the employees was "if they don't buy it here they'll buy it someplace else" and "whether t hey sell these items or not it won't stop the dealers from dealing" in Northside. Meantime, Northside Mart seems to be selling everything the well equipped dealer needs. And god only knows what is happening at the Colerain Mart/Station or the one at Elmore or what our new auto repair/grocery store on Colerain at Blue Rock is up to selling. It seems to me that all are trying to reach what they consider a viable market - a market that probably wouldn't be viable in Hyde Park and/or other neighborhoods that don't noticeably have dealers standing on the corner. I also think this is a bigger problem that we need to direct attention to and may take a lot of effort (Police, B & I, Health) to resolve based on the individual operator, their location, how the owner's responds to our concerns and exactly what they're doing that does or does not meet city code. And then there's always enforcement. Aside from that I do think that there are smaller projects that could effectively be resolved in a short period of time. A smaller project could include curb cuts and street trees in residential areas where double sidewalks are the norm. Or how to get CSX to address their parcel that runs between Mad Anthony and Chambers. Stef ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cpop-admin at northside.net [mailto:cpop-admin at northside.net] On Behalf Of Skip Jones Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:57 AM To: cindysue at fuse.net; srsiam at aol.com; Tim Golliher; CPOP at northside.net; '7NSCOP Mail list '; Tim Jeckering Cc: Captain Johns; 2Terri Windeler; Battison, Jeffrey; Steven Baines; terry.cosgrove at cincinnati-oh.gov Subject: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects I was trying to come up with a list of smaller projects that we could hand off to District 5 as potential CPOP type activities. I was thinking that we could generate a list, see who is interested from the District and try to pair community people with the interested officers from D5. I was also hoping the officers could come up with some ideas as well. Please reply to me and not everyone on the distribution list. I'll stick them all in a spreadsheet and circulate. A few I'm thinking of right off are: Gas Stations selling inappropriate items such as scales. - Bob Sala More Crosswalks around Chase School - BW 45223 Truck blocking crosswalk view in the business district near Wizards- Skip Crosswalk across Hamilton at Palm - Skip ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.northside.net/pipermail/cpop/attachments/20060212/3e34cfe8/attachment.html From davetori at fuse.net Sun Feb 12 12:34:24 2006 From: davetori at fuse.net (Dave & Tori) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:34:24 -0500 Subject: [Northside COPP Members] RE: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects In-Reply-To: <20060212160347.FYUT14894.gx4.fuse.net@sas> Message-ID: All, Good discussion but you've completely filled up our inboxes with multiple copies of the same messages due to much overlap between the individual names and two distribution lists to COP and CPOP. I would expect that our District 5 and other external partners would appreciate if you left them off of the early bantering of ideas then consult with them once we have something focused and concrete for them to help with. As you think about changing behaviors (e.g. what small businesses are selling), think first about how you can influence their thinking in a more positive way so that they want to become a willing partner with the same goals. A person who is willing to pay for a crime surveillance camera in front of his business is a person who shares our concerns. Approach them in the right way and they will listen and work with us. Also, there are two things to remember when sending e-mails to the CPOP distribution list. First, please maintain an enviroment that respects and considers all ideas/views even when they may not be aligned with our own or even the majority. Second, consider your e-mail as something which could be broadcast outside the intended audience so be careful with what you say. Our e-mail list administrators will block participation if we view it as detrimental to the group's goals or reputation. Best Regards, Dave -----Original Message----- From: members-admin at nscop.org [mailto:members-admin at nscop.org]On Behalf Of Stefanie Sunderland Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 11:02 AM To: 'Dave & Tori'; 'Tim.Golliher'; 'Gary Skitt'; 'CHris Norman'; 'Skip Jones'; cindysue at fuse.net; srsiam at aol.com; CPOP at northside.net; '7NSCOP Mail list ' Cc: 'Captain Johns'; '2Terri Windeler'; 'Battison, Jeffrey'; 'Steven Baines'; terry.cosgrove at cincinnati-oh.gov; 'Craig Congdon'; 'Robert Sala' Subject: [Northside COPP Members] RE: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects Looks like a project that has a broad-based interest. Maybe we can create teams to investigate and work on each location and come up with recommendations as how to address specific locations depending on how they are contributing to the drug trade as well as a general response to certain things we expect from all locations. I'll bet there are members of Block Watch 45223 that will gladly help, also. Maybe even South Cumminsville would want to participate on the Elmore station. How does everyone else feel about this? Stefanie ------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From: Dave & Tori [mailto:davetori at fuse.net] Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 8:35 AM To: Tim.Golliher; Gary Skitt; CHris Norman; Stefanie Sunderland; 'Skip Jones'; cindysue at fuse.net; srsiam at aol.com; CPOP at northside.net; '7NSCOP Mail list ' Cc: 'Captain Johns'; '2Terri Windeler'; 'Battison, Jeffrey'; 'Steven Baines'; terry.cosgrove at cincinnati-oh.gov; 'Craig Congdon' Subject: RE: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects Just want to confirm what Tim said. Possessing or selling of scales (and a huge range of other drug paraphernalia) is prohibited under Chapter 879 of the city's municipal code. Check it out here: http://www.municode.com/resources/gateway.asp?pid=19996&sid=35. Violations are misdemeanors of either the first or second degree. Tori -----Original Message----- From: cpop-admin at northside.net [mailto:cpop-admin at northside.net]On Behalf Of Tim.Golliher Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 2:50 AM To: Gary Skitt; CHris Norman; Stefanie Sunderland; 'Skip Jones'; cindysue at fuse.net; srsiam at aol.com; CPOP at northside.net; '7NSCOP Mail list ' Cc: 'Captain Johns'; '2Terri Windeler'; 'Battison, Jeffrey'; 'Steven Baines'; terry.cosgrove at cincinnati-oh.gov; 'Craig Congdon' Subject: Re: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects Chris: Yes, it is illegal to sell scales in Cincinnati. Sort of. Depends on the viewpoint of the enforcing body. Si Leis and company (actually Art Ney) made it illegal to sell drug-related items thru retail back in around 1980, but I am not sure how the ordinance reads. Might be a good idea to find it, print it out and give it to all store owners in the City. Originally, it was created to make The Cupboard stop selling waterpipes and screens. Ask Amy at the Smoke Shop; she is VERY familiar with the statutes relating to the paraphernalia thing. Tim Golliher ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Skitt To: CHris Norman ; Stefanie Sunderland ; 'Skip Jones' ; cindysue at fuse.net ; srsiam at aol.com ; 'Tim Golliher' ; CPOP at northside.net ; '7NSCOP Mail list ' ; 'Tim Jeckering' Cc: 'Captain Johns' ; '2Terri Windeler' ; 'Battison, Jeffrey' ; 'Steven Baines' ; terry.cosgrove at cincinnati-oh.gov ; 'Craig Congdon' ; lorre at copper.net Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects Chris, Are you familiar with the 5 years it took us to close down Mcperry's deli on Fergus and Chase? It started out with them selling products that are being sold now at the Marathon and led to us getting their liquor liscense taken away and eventually led to getting the city to buy the building and getting it bull-dozed.By your argument I guess we had no right to do that because we were violating their inaliable capitalistic rights to make a profit selling whatever they leagally please even if it negativly affects our hood.My family has owned the house that we live in(where my gradma and father died) since 1959 and I'll be damned if I allow criminal thug gangster drug dealers the run of our neighborhood. They are the enemy of N'side and we do not have to directly or indirectly(by letting stores like Marathon, etc )let them sell goods that make thier lives any easier.Either the businesses around here can toe line of the requests of the law abiding volunteers that live here or eventually we will drive them out and their businesses will be bull-dozed and turned into housing for law abiding citizens.Period. This is a peaceful and non-violent way to try to get our neighborhood back. Thanks for your work in N;side, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: CHris Norman To: Stefanie Sunderland ; 'Skip Jones' ; cindysue at fuse.net ; srsiam at aol.com ; 'Tim Golliher' ; CPOP at northside.net ; '7NSCOP Mail list ' ; 'Tim Jeckering' Cc: 'Captain Johns' ; '2Terri Windeler' ; 'Battison, Jeffrey' ; 'Steven Baines' ; terry.cosgrove at cincinnati-oh.gov ; 'Craig Congdon' ; lorre at copper.net Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 6:38 PM Subject: RE: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects We are walking on thin ice when we start "advising" merchants what they should and shouldn't sell. The concept of free enterprise and personal rights are at stake with this and the use of survellience cameras. Yes we have a problem at Kirby and Chase - I see it every day - but we also need to attack the problem and not the symptoms. The Marathon (and other markets) are trying to make a living. I regularly patronize the Marthon - and yes they are selling "hoodies" , etc. Where else in the nieghborhood can folks buy clothes? The Northside Exit has thankfully closed (which appeared to be more of a drug store than a clothes store) so the Marthon has picked up that market - sounds like smart store managment to me. They also have an outstanding selction of beers, including many micro breweries. Is it illegal to sell scales? If so, the police should be advised and they can take actio n. I fully understand that what they sell can encourage like minded folks to patronize their establishment and it is not desireable. But I also know that they are free to sell what they want. We can a) refuse to patronize such places - which may in turn lead to them selling more "undesirable goods" or b) encourage them through purchasing of more "desirable goods". Our push to rid ourselves of crime must not result in loss of personal rights. Stefanie Sunderland wrote: I recommended that Craig call Chris Simon (vice/liquor) about problems with BP since he has had repeated failed attempts trying to get the owner to assume responsibility for what is happening at this location and said I would help if he wants the additional support. Bob told me last night that Chris recommends that the community object to renewal of their liquor license in order to persuade the owner to cooperate. She expects that the owner will wish to do so and suggested that the community come up with a contract to hold his feet to the fire, I guess, until 2007 when we can decide if he's activity participating in trying to resolve the problems and whether or not to object to the renewal for the second time. Marathon is beginning to take on the appearances of a clientele specific clothing store - hoodies, hair pieces, conterfeit gymmies and jewelry scales - not to mention the individual blunts that have been on sale forever. Because of Sammie's willingness to fund the Kirby camera residents in the area decided that I should first talk with Sammy about the scales, which I did. (I also told Captain Johns.) He said he would remove them from the items offered but there's no way for me to make certain they have been. We need a decoy; someone who could be perceived as a dealer, to go there and try to buy one. Initial responses to my concerns about both blunts and the scales from the employees was "if they don't buy it here they'll buy it someplace else" and "whether t hey sell these items or not it won't stop the dealers from dealing" in Northside. Meantime, Northside Mart seems to be selling everything the well equipped dealer needs. And god only knows what is happening at the Colerain Mart/Station or the one at Elmore or what our new auto repair/grocery store on Colerain at Blue Rock is up to selling. It seems to me that all are trying to reach what they consider a viable market - a market that probably wouldn't be viable in Hyde Park and/or other neighborhoods that don't noticeably have dealers standing on the corner. I also think this is a bigger problem that we need to direct attention to and may take a lot of effort (Police, B & I, Health) to resolve based on the individual operator, their location, how the owner's responds to our concerns and exactly what they're doing that does or does not meet city code. And then there's always enforcement. Aside from that I do think that there are smaller projects that could effectively be resolved in a short period of time. A smaller project could include curb cuts and street trees in residential areas where double sidewalks are the norm. Or how to get CSX to address their parcel that runs between Mad Anthony and Chambers. Stef ------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- From: cpop-admin at northside.net [mailto:cpop-admin at northside.net] On Behalf Of Skip Jones Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:57 AM To: cindysue at fuse.net; srsiam at aol.com; Tim Golliher; CPOP at northside.net; '7NSCOP Mail list '; Tim Jeckering Cc: Captain Johns; 2Terri Windeler; Battison, Jeffrey; Steven Baines; terry.cosgrove at cincinnati-oh.gov Subject: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects I was trying to come up with a list of smaller projects that we could hand off to District 5 as potential CPOP type activities. I was thinking that we could generate a list, see who is interested from the District and try to pair community people with the interested officers from D5. I was also hoping the officers could come up with some ideas as well. Please reply to me and not everyone on the distribution list. I'll stick them all in a spreadsheet and circulate. A few I'm thinking of right off are: Gas Stations selling inappropriate items such as scales. - Bob Sala More Crosswalks around Chase School - BW 45223 Truck blocking crosswalk view in the business district near Wizards- Skip Crosswalk across Hamilton at Palm - Skip ------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.northside.net/pipermail/cpop/attachments/20060212/168f57a8/attachment.html From davetori at fuse.net Sun Feb 12 23:55:44 2006 From: davetori at fuse.net (Dave & Tori) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 23:55:44 -0500 Subject: [Northside CPOP] Northside COP Patrol Notes Message-ID: Northside COP Patrol Notes Date; 10 Feb 2006, Friday Time: 8:00 PM ? 11:00 PM Overall neighborhood was quiet. Key observations are noted below. Address Observation Follow-up 4210 Langland PFO ? back door open and unsecure Contact Terri Windeler 4202 Williamson David Hicks seen coming out carrying a bike west on Chase To Note 4219 Fergus Plymouth Voyager Van, DRY7344, OH ? Driver Side Front tire flat, rear window broken out Contact Officer Kessler ApJones - Fergus Blue Cadillac w/ blue vinyl top & spoke wheels, DKH4205, OH - Very loud stereo To Note NW Corner of Chambers ? Ludlow Pl Tire on sidewalk Call 591-6000 4101 Spring Grove American Can ? door open To Note North side of Blue Rock between Spring Grove & Hamilton 5 Tires near sidewalk Call 591-6000 Spring Grove Former Kays Restaurant has reopened as Ray?s Grill, open 7AM-1PM F, S To Note SE Corner of Turill - Cooper Older larger sedan ? DQL8248, OH Setting on Powers w/ 3-4 people in it w/ lights off ? left when we came To Note 1641 Cooper White male resembling Joey the bandaid bandit coming out and running away. To Note 1653 Cooper Neighbor said every morning that gate to this vacant property is open. To Note Hoffner-Turill SE Corner grafitti ? GYOU in green spray paint approx 4? up Call 591-6000 Dulaney just N or Hoffner Street light out Tori reported to CG&E Chase in front of McKie Gardens Relay box on light pole about 8-9? high was open. Bruce & Dave closed Patrol Route: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.northside.net/pipermail/cpop/attachments/20060213/8d00454f/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 3545 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.northside.net/pipermail/cpop/attachments/20060213/8d00454f/attachment.gif -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Also that they will work on cleaning up the lot. They are selling rolling papers and cigars but I didnt see anything else that would be a problem(scales). The T-shirts didnt have any writing on them and the hats were ok. We told the manager to call the police if subjects are hanging on the lot and to clean up the windows a little so you can see into the store (safety concern). We also took care of 4202 Williamson Pl. I called Nick the owner yesterday and spoke with the tenant who is in the wheel chair. We told them both that we will not tolerate any drug and or prostitution activity in that building. Especially after finally cleaning that corner up this past year. I am really trying to keep up on these issues and still do my radio run duties. Please hang in there and be patient. Thanks for all your support during this sad time:)Terri -----Original Message----- From: Anita Smith To: Stefanie Sunderland; 'Skip Jones'; cindysue at fuse.net; srsiam at aol.com; 'Tim Golliher'; CPOP at northside.net; '7NSCOP Mail list '; 'Tim Jeckering' Cc: 'Captain Johns'; '2Terri Windeler'; 'Battison, Jeffrey'; 'Steven Baines'; terry.cosgrove at cincinnati-oh.gov; 'Craig Congdon' Sent: 2/12/2006 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [Northside COPP Members] RE: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects I have to wonder with the BP store what BP corporate would say if we approached them. BP does not make the profits from all of the clientele focused sales. I would think there is a nationwide correlation to gas stations product sales in high crime spots. I'd love to see a news story on a city or national level investigating how little the corporate BP cares about the negative impact of their stores in communities. Hit the corporate in their "community image" attributing them to turning a blind eye to the crime they support. The Sunoco on Elsmore is really bad for these types of sales. They are now catering specialty t-shirts with such sayings as "Make your nmoney in the hood" with "$$" signs on them. White T-shirts, hoodies, skull caps,etc. They remodeled last year almost doubling their floor space for retail and quick grab and go food sales. Almost 100% of the retail space is the same clientele specific clothing items. I think they remodeled to accomodate this growing niche market. Anita Stefanie Sunderland wrote: I recommended that Craig call Chris Simon (vice/liquor) about problems with BP since he has had repeated failed attempts trying to get the owner to assume responsibility for what is happening at this location and said I would help if he wants the additional support. Bob told me last night that Chris recommends that the community object to renewal of their liquor license in order to persuade the owner to cooperate. She expects that the owner will wish to do so and suggested that the community come up with a contract to hold his feet to the fire, I guess, until 2007 when we can decide if he's activity participating in trying to resolve the problems and whether or not to object to the renewal for the second time. Marathon is beginning to take on the appearances of a clientele specific clothing store - hoodies, hair pieces, conterfeit gymmies and jewelry scales - not to mention the individual blunts that have been on sale forever. Because of Sammie's willingness to fund the Kirby camera residents in the area decided that I should first talk with Sammy about the scales, which I did. (I also told Captain Johns.) He said he would remove them from the items offered but there's no way for me to make certain they have been. We need a decoy; someone who could be perceived as a dealer, to go there and try to buy one. Initial responses to my concerns about both blunts and the scales from the employees was "if they don't buy it here they'll buy it someplace else" and "whether they sell these items or not it won't stop the dealers from dealing" in Northside. Meantime, Northside Mart seems to be selling everything the well equipped dealer needs. And god only knows what is happening at the Colerain Mart/Station or the one at Elmore or what our new auto repair/grocery store on Colerain at Blue Rock is up to selling. It seems to me that all are trying to reach what they consider a viable market - a market that probably wouldn't be viable in Hyde Park and/or other neighborhoods that don't noticeably have dealers standing on the corner. I also think this is a bigger problem that we need to direct attention to and may take a lot of effort (Police, B & I, Health) to resolve based on the individual operator, their location, how the owner's responds to our concerns and exactly what they're doing that does or does not meet city code. And then there's always enforcement. Aside from that I do think that there are smaller projects that could effectively be resolved in a short period of time. A smaller project could include curb cuts and street trees in residential areas where double sidewalks are the norm. Or how to get CSX to address their parcel that runs between Mad Anthony and Chambers. Stef _____ From: cpop-admin at northside.net [mailto:cpop-admin at northside.net] On Behalf Of Skip Jones Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:57 AM To: cindysue at fuse.net; srsiam at aol.com; Tim Golliher; CPOP at northside.net; '7NSCOP Mail list '; Tim Jeckering Cc: Captain Johns; 2Terri Windeler; Battison, Jeffrey; Steven Baines; terry.cosgrove at cincinnati-oh.gov Subject: [Northside CPOP] Potential Partnering Projects I was trying to come up with a list of smaller projects that we could hand off to District 5 as potential CPOP type activities. I was thinking that we could generate a list, see who is interested from the District and try to pair community people with the interested officers from D5. I was also hoping the officers could come up with some ideas as well. Please reply to me and not everyone on the distribution list. I'll stick them all in a spreadsheet and circulate. A few I'm thinking of right off are: Gas Stations selling inappropriate items such as scales. - Bob Sala More Crosswalks around Chase School - BW 45223 Truck blocking crosswalk view in the business district near Wizards- Skip Crosswalk across Hamilton at Palm - Skip _____ Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! From skipjones at fuse.net Tue Feb 14 15:06:08 2006 From: skipjones at fuse.net (skipjones@fuse.net) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:06:08 -0500 Subject: [Northside CPOP] CPOP Meeting - Thursday Feb 16 at One Mo Cup Message-ID: <17236388.1139947568876.JavaMail.root@webmail10> The CPOP Meeting Thursday Feb 16 will be at One Mo' Cup on Hamilton Ave at 6 PM. See you there. AND PLEASE DON'T REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE. -- ----------------------------------------- *****************Internet Email Confidentiality Footer****************** Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and notify the sender by reply email. Please advise immediately if you or your employer do not consent to Internet email for messages of this kind. From davetori at fuse.net Thu Feb 16 22:28:40 2006 From: davetori at fuse.net (Dave & Tori) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:28:40 -0500 Subject: [Northside CPOP] Citizens Guide to Community Action Message-ID: One effective strategy for reducing problems with drug dealing and loitering in the Chase/Fergus area of Northside was targeting an apartment building that supported residents and friends involved in these activities. During this evening's CPOP meeting we agreed that targeting top problem properties in the Hanfield/Witler area would also help attack the root cause of like problems in this new area. Terry Cosgrove referred the group to the Citizens Guide to Community Action as one resource for dealing with problem properties and their owners. I am attaching the link to the Northside Citizens on Patrol website that has a link to this guide. Terri, Please forward to Kat since I don't yet have her e-mail. Shelley, please forward to others in Blockwatch 45223 whom I don't yet have on my limited mailing list. Thanks, Dave To get the the Cincinnati Citizens Guide to Community Action.... SELECT http://resources.nscop.org/ SELECT the yellow "Help Addressing Crime" button on the left side of the screen. SELECT Cincinnati Citizens Guide to Community Action This is a 26-page guide providing citizens with information on what they can do to effectively report and address nuisance and blight conditions within their neighborhood -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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